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asciilifeform: 'this place is where you go to LOSE'
asciilifeform: reputedly, in (actual) casino in usa, anyone who is seen (cameras in erry hole) to win 2-3x, is banished and told not to come back
mp_en_viaje: nowadays they don't even PERMIT monte carlo, the new (transparently java) craps have like 10-15-20-25 four options for a bid sort of thing
mp_en_viaje: old things. yup.
asciilifeform: lol, they use 1970s prng dun they.
mp_en_viaje: i used these to great effect once, was on trip to serbia with then very recently enslavbed hanbot, proceeded to extract a few hundy out of the machines by monte-carlo-ing them out of their engineering assumptions. happened to be more than the whole weekend stay cost, gave her great story to rely the greatness of her master.
asciilifeform: was snoar ( to asciilifeform , who had to 'try 1nce' but otherwise indiff. to such pasttime ) . machine -- ate coin. left.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, oh, the slot things huh.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 1 i actually went into, in timis, was in fact automated, like old arcades
mp_en_viaje: anyway, in my country you can just take the money and leave.
asciilifeform: the dumb shits build'em on outskirts of city, tho, where hardly anyone goes
asciilifeform: btw 'vhs' people think 'america -- casino -- vegas!111' but in fact most of usa has some form of (bureaucrat-run) casino, and typically is little diff. from the ro item, and fulla 80 y.o. pissing away their last cent to ~simulated, 3d~ horse race
mp_en_viaje: what the fuck do these people think a casino is.
asciilifeform: or what were they called in orig, i fuighet
mp_en_viaje: you know the fucktards in minsk ~actually asked me for id~ ?!
asciilifeform: they oughta have these errywhere
asciilifeform: i liked, ftr, how in e.g. timis, casino house on erry corner, and next to it a pawn where orc can pawn his last shirt + pnoje
mp_en_viaje: finally everyone reached the same bottom, so there's little point in discussing romania apart from yurp
mp_en_viaje: then sometime 2015 or so the fourth generation came about, smartphones + fb.
mp_en_viaje: then sometime around 2004 or so the ro bureaucracy started getting online, resulting in the usual shitfest, "online publications", all the pretense to "the guardian" and "new york times" etc.
asciilifeform: pictured, as consequence, modern ro as a place similar to india
asciilifeform: was astonished, that poor orcs would break backs over coupla hundy u.s in whatever scammages
mp_en_viaje: that was more substantially the 2nd ro internet generation, late 90s to mid 2000s
asciilifeform: incl. some spam/shitware folx who had... rather porous system , and could see their internal lulz
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- for many yrs, asciilifeform's only exposure to ro folx was -- inhabitants of virii-themed forums
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: a, assumed that 2000s was continuation of '90s, same folx
snsabot: Logged on 2018-04-18 21:58:18 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
mp_en_viaje: and yes alflog still teletype, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 loaded in ~5s
asciilifeform: early ro net is still largely 'dark matter' to asciilifeform ( tho moar penetrable than e.g. the finns; at least in ro human lang , lol )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, dj is a peculiar lifeform, kinda dwells on a sort of cognitive surfboard, no time to learn anything
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:55:31 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927881 << not familiar with this one. from ~what~ did he wander off, and of what was capable ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927942 << he made more bitcoin than ~all of romania (ever) via old mp-run digg thing, for instance. i dunno, he was one of the less-retarded kids blogging in romanian in the mid 2000s
asciilifeform: 'dj' imho oughta a) learn basic bash or b) stick to swapping vinyl records
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:47:00 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927873 << can't resist to ask, for what might 'need' it ? oddball 1990s format ??
mp_en_viaje: yeah, makes sense. as in -- i can understand the fungal path
asciilifeform: so server wants to dispose of the corpses (they occupy memory)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: thinking about it, it's outgrowth of tcp retardation, where having the client alive costs the server at all times
mp_en_viaje: what i;m saying is that server-ping is utterly misdesigned.
mp_en_viaje: just... there's the obvious cut that the server dpesn't specifically care whether ny client is up or down ; yet each client cares whether server exists or doesn't. well... so to the victor go the spoils then, let the curious ask.
asciilifeform: in trad irc, server periodically asks 'PING blah' and client expected to 'PONG blah' back (why? if it's a tcp pipe? what's the whole point of tcp, orig, if not to avoid this? dun ask me)
asciilifeform: rather than general case
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i meant specifically in re traditional irc
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, laugh but it's the model im contemplating re eulora
asciilifeform: i gotta say, never before heard of ~client~ having to ~send~ 'ping'
mp_en_viaje: it is entirely possible feedbot gets kicked because of trying to ping while sending
asciilifeform: ( which dun mean it is illusory; snsabot has been on the air for <week )
asciilifeform: haven't observed , in particular, the effect mentioned by spyked
asciilifeform: current snsabot ignores all fleanode-generated rubbish (only processes traditional messages, such as spoken in chans, errything else is dropped silently)
mp_en_viaje: http://www.stack.nl/~jilles/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/irc-documentation-jilles/file/tip/reference/draft-meglio-irc-handshake-00.txt << o look, this disappeared
asciilifeform: so far the only fleanode nail i've stepped on, is that 'maybe you joined chan or maybe not' thing
asciilifeform: ( nor do they have any relevance to how to write bots )
mp_en_viaje: part of them are baked in, freenode runs ircd 3
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: afaik we dun use these for anyffin
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:45:27 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927831 << what else is in that pile ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927932 << holy hell, i'm not equal to that task. besides ctcp and dcc, there's even a microsoft-led attempt at embrace-and-extinguish from the 90s (it went nowhere) ; there was a broadly accepted pantsuitization of irc cca 2005 ("isupport"), various nsa-sponsored nonsense ("dancer", "hyperion", "protoctl")...
asciilifeform: while on subj of logger : mp_en_viaje do you still find that 'teletype' ? current ver is ~2x faster than 1st
asciilifeform: ( in re knobs, 1 optional toggle that asciilifeform wanted for many yrs -- but dun have yet -- is a 'reverse gear', i.e. display log 1st line on top of screen and down. but this, also, later. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: tried to make 'new tab'ism go this morning, when spyked mentioned it, but it'll take some fiddling -- interacts poorly with the regexp-based link highlighting i used in this hasty drumhead logger. so prolly won't happen until much later.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927928 << i'd rather you just leave links plain ; but i don't have that strong feelings on the matter.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, hi there.
mp_en_viaje: because that can't be taught, obviously.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:36:26 spyked: tru imaginar." which looks like the main issue: while scrolling on "fb feed" back in 2014, /me felt how he was becoming dumber.
mp_en_viaje: refered to as "a soul" when contrasted with that drawing of replicants, or "theorems to prove" when discussing the lost to nativity.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927917 << i don't think that's the ~main~ issue. i think that's the secondary issue ; with the main issue being http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926670 -- specifically that anything crawling out of cunt can be taught to be polite, socially inocuous, culturally unobtrustive, etc. but NOT everything can be taught to have something to say, a driver inside, the thing here sometimes
asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:37:04 spyked: hm, I think he was on #t at some point tho?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927918 << mostly on fain, i think.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: logotron tree updated. ty for the patch .
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/12/camera-tests-of-a-sunday/ << Ossa Sepia -- Camera Tests of a Sunday
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 07:24:23 mp_en_viaje: that guy was eminently ALSO capable, in the of-this-list sense fo capacity. he wandered off on his own power, there was no "meet mp" moment iirc. but there's inescapably, overpoweringly, a difference between the daimons (one of the first trilema participants, back in 2009), and the phfs (as it happens, the most recent "victim" of my "abusive" approach to disreality) of the world, and nicole on the other.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927881 << not familiar with this one. from ~what~ did he wander off, and of what was capable ?
asciilifeform: wanted to nail down the basic knobs before any 'decorative'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 05:59:50 spyked: asciilifeform, minor nitpick re snsabot: I see no difference in the www interface between CTCP actions (the /me thing) and normal replies. e.g. I would expect ^ to be rendered as "spyked also tried ..." instead of "spyked: also tried".
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927808 << this also on to-do list, but atm dead last
diana_coman: spyked: fwiw re daimon - he came in and asked me for a rating years ago as if it was a village and I should know it was "him"; once I figured out which "Alex" he was, I rated him; then even pulled and pushed him to try eulora - he resisted it and never made it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927873 << can't resist to ask, for what might 'need' it ? oddball 1990s format ??
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:52:24 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927792 < what, seriously ? you can just compose : and - in screen. or i think x too. or you know, you \div in latex ? or like... you use R at all.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927864 << i must be the only 1 who runs a 7bit ascii shell...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:13:12 mp_en_viaje: it's basically a tumour grown upon irc protocol.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927831 << what else is in that pile ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:22:11 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927780 << I do not expect that's his blog ; item is work of (relatively) well known internet lulzcow, one David Futrelle, a one-time pick-up artist / big man leadership dood meanwhile turned on the other side of the "BUT OBVIOUSLY, do we still have to DO this" cvasi-debate.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927840 << vaguely suspected it was a trololol link rather than his actual www...
asciilifeform: even on proper pc, imho 'overwrite the log tab' is ~never the desired behaviour
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:08:14 diana_coman: I also ctrl-click so didn't notice but I don't see the reason to bake in "new window"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927817 << it's actually on the list, simply didn't make it into the 1st ver. asciilifeform for instance sometimes reads log on pnojes and similar keyboardless terminals, it is handy there.
asciilifeform: the shell one, that is, none of the (why??) x11 crapola
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 04:40:45 spyked: and by frontend I mean, proggy that receives file as command argument and plays it -- in case of audio file, without spawning anything graphical
spyked: hm, I think he was on #t at some point tho?
spyked: tru imaginar." which looks like the main issue: while scrolling on "fb feed" back in 2014, /me felt how he was becoming dumber.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 07:12:56 mp_en_viaje: in other news, holy shit spyked that daimon carcass is sad. whole thing fucking became an epitaph of derealisation. "gândește-te așa: dacă azi ai asculta Mafia pentru prima dată, te-ar impresiona atât de tare încât te-ai duce la un al doilea concert?" ; "mă simt oarecum … scos din schemă. Watching from afar, vorba francezilor. Zbaterile locale devin maxim amuzante. Vin firme noi pe piața din Timișoar
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927874 <-- will quote straight from teh book: "exista un pericol foarte concret, anume ca daca unu' sta tot numa' cu prosti ajunge si el pina la urma prost, indiferent ce era la-nceput. Tot asa daca stai numa-ntre obiecte imaginare exista riscul foarte ~concret~ sa te dezintegrezi in
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927871 <-- also worx. afaik they use the same codecs for the most part, ffmpeg mostly.
asciilifeform: on an unborked gentoo box, they build via 'emerge' ; otherwise by hand
asciilifeform: diana_coman: they don't come with the interpreter ( hence mentioned as deps )
diana_coman: in fairness, I don't use python much - last time I used it was years ago for generating the Eulora cookbook aka a bunch of static html pages from various data
diana_coman: asciilifeform: it turns out I don't even usually have flask and psycopg2 on my machines
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman . i will mirror it & the sigs on my www also.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 17:09:12 diana_coman: ah, ah; if you want it there, I can add it (tomorrow though), sure; meant to ask: why no author field in your manifest?
diana_coman: I patched it on top of asciilifeform's tree as promised yesterday http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927521 (+ added the author field in manifest file) + mirrored the full logotron tree on my page