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mod6: i'll work on something for
this. will update at
that point.
thanks for
talking me
through it. :]
mod6: so back
to
the model: a->b->c->d if I remove 'c', all
that should show up in
the flow is 'a->b' and all
that is pressable is 'a->b', should never attempt
to even press 'a->b->d'
mod6: it would probably be better form
to never have
to die, but
to never hit
that case where we must die.
mod6: i
think it should die. when its
trying
to press and it enounters something
that doesn't match: death.
mod6: my v seems
to do
the correct
thing by dying, but maybe showing
the entire flow post breakage might be incorrect as well.
mod6: and furthermore, i guess it doesn't make any sense
to continue on at all if something is missing in
the flow, because even if you could side-step where
the breakage is,
the vpatch down stream would actually fail
to press anyway because its input hash wouldn't match
the expected.
phf: asciilifeform: mine removes some of
the links where dependency is already demonstrated by other means. if you have a->b->c and a->c you can't press c without pressing b also
mod6: but
those would be
the only
two
that should drop.
mod6: because
there are other routes everywhere else
that can follow.
☟︎ mod6: if it were correct, in my mind, i suppose,
the flow would be dropping zap_hardcoded_seeds and zap_showmyip_crud.
mod6: if we look at my graph,
that really wouldn't be
true.
mod6: but
this is where it gets hairy.
mod6: or
to go back
to mr. p.'s example: a->b->c->d all signed by x, if i remove 'c',
then
the flow should read: a->b
phf: asciilifeform: i don't really have mental capacity for
this conversation right now, but mod6's graph is most likely correct, because all it does is links vpatches
to vpatches by
their shared hashes
mod6: are you saying, in my flow, in
these
traces, when i remove a middle vpatch or sig,
that it shouldn't show anything in
the flow after
the breakage even if
there are vpatches with valid sigs
that correspond
to wot entities present?
☟︎ mod6: asciilifeform: im having a hard
time following you. let's
try
to keep
this
to something i can grok.
mod6: phf's might correct, but his doesn't show all of
the edges
that mine does.
mod6: anyway, i
think my graph is correct.
mod6: that's
the same as saying : mod6@gentoo ~/sandbox-v $ ./v.pl a asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch
mod6: which says
to me,
that it was orphand off from dnsseed
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: look here: asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch should have been orphaned in your flow << i
think it actually is, quite: when I have
the sig for dnsseed moved
to duck-fuck-soup, and i check
the ante and desc for zap_hardcoded:
http://dpaste.com/2QCN3Y4.txt phf: there's no "correct" with v graphs, and every
two months or so i spent some
time meditating on what a v graph even is
☟︎ mod6: mine has another arrow going
to dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing
mod6: i dunno, lemme
try putting in
the anti-fuzz
thing
mod6: because, mind you, it is ~still~
trying
to press asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch, and whatever it shits out from
this, if it does not match
the expected output hash, will
then die yes.
mod6: so you
think
that if i just use '-F 0'
then
this problem is hypothetically resolved?
mod6: no worries, fixing
this requires some other changes. will go back
to drawing board.
mod6: and yours doesn't check
the output hash.
mod6: well, i suspect
that
this is a different problem really.
mircea_popescu: you have
this much sticky and have
to pick who "other people"
to stick.
mircea_popescu: getting "other people"
to work for you is
the exact above problem.
mircea_popescu: (failure in resource allocation went from simple "tin women"
to - google, or for
that matter mit, can't figure out who
to hire anymore.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, idlewords guy is pretty much spot on as
to how exactly silicon valley / "vc" etc world goes away. "Ray Kurzweil, who believes he will never die, has been a Google employee for several years now and is presumably working on
that problem.
There are a lot of people in Silicon Valley working on
truly crazy projects under
the cover of money."
this is pretty much it,
the byzantines found
their way
towards byzantinism, will
mod6: aha, ok. will do. if i'd venture a guess, we'll see
the exact same result.
mircea_popescu: yeah,
try again i say, but leave
the vpatch rename
the seal just.
mod6: yah, so, in
this: a->b->c->d ; I basically just got rid of 'c', and
then
tried
to press a->b->d (all signed by x) and it does fail. was
this what we were
trying
to achieve? If not, i'll do another
test np.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 why's
the hash mismatching ? << upon checking
the output hash from
the pressing of asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch, it failed. because
this patch depends on asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch which was not in
the flow, because it was renamed 'duck-fuck-soup.vpatch'.
mircea_popescu: now
then, leaving aside
the offensive inferiority complex women/nonwhites have
towards white males :
the guy has a point (mit media lab, which apparently got new leadership, a little smarter - and a little less female - being where ethereum retardation is hatched).
the jwz is by now radioactive, a bunch of kids who can't subdue a girl
their age, let alone a herd of adult women, want
things
to be about how it's ok
to go around
mircea_popescu: iction, generalized AI, we wouldn't have
to worry about all
the messy stuff like politics and society.
They
think machines will just figure it all out for us."
mircea_popescu: Joi Ito, who runs
the MIT Media Lab, said a wonderful
thing in a recent conversation with President Obama: "This may upset some of my students at MIT, but one of my concerns is
that it's been a predominantly male gang of kids, mostly white, who are building
the core computer science around AI, and
they're more comfortable
talking
to computers
than
to human beings. A lot of
them feel
that if
they could just make
that science-f
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ok
this is great. "since hyperintelligence is a real
threat any entity which develops hyperintelligence would be so
taken with
this
threat
that it would be forced
to spend all its
time filling obscure wikis with bad fanfic
to prepare
the other intelligences
to deal with
the singularity. you know, much like
that bizarre faggot."
mod6: yeah
tardstalk was awful.
the only redeeming quality
there was MPOE-PR.
phf: our logs must go all
the way back
to Aristotle
mod6: some of
that OTC stuff was
totally insaneo. i remember
this one particular day with pirate...
mircea_popescu: anyway ; i dunno
that it makes any sense
to push
this further ; otc logs, what else, we're going
to do cypherpunk bbses
too ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 force is
to be deployed as it becomes evident it's useful
to deploy it, not randomly everywhere.
mod6: i
totally didn't log anything.
mircea_popescu: so it's entirely possible you were curious about bitcoin, wandered in some chan or another, never
thought more of it.
mircea_popescu: there's an easy mistake
to make here where we look at
the past and presume it's
the present. gotta recall at
the
time most people (myself included) did not even regard
the matter as serious enough
to warrant permalogging.
mod6: yeah, i feel like you came in,
talked for a few weeks, checked it out...
then vanished again for a while.
then you were here.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> but how
the hell did i wander into #b-a, i still cannot remember. << you were invited
to checkout MPEx right?
mod6: for sure. it was unreal. i did like a quadruple
take.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 remember
that
time someone put a mega sdice order in and flooded
the book ? << Oh yeah, Sir. I'm still doing a O_O from
that.
mircea_popescu: confirmed,
there's a hole in my log for
the 12th. asciilifeform apparently you didn't merely meander in, but managed
to do it when i was off.
mircea_popescu: mod6 remember
that
time someone put a mega sdice order in and flooded
the book ?
mod6: oh man,
this stuff is gold
a111: Logged on 2012-08-11 03:55 BTC-Mining: I lost 40 BTC due
to a
typo
phf: ah so
there's a break on oct 12 from 04:56
to 15:08 which falls under