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asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928291 << i take it 'blue dollar' is/was same thing as sovok's 'convertible ruble' ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 17:08:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: my pov, is that would like to get all 'magick' the fuck out of logotronics.
asciilifeform still ill at ease re logger, pending confirmation that the kit actually stands up somewhere other than in asciilifeform's hands
asciilifeform: the tyre fire of 'hey we've no logger' is , if not put out, then at low smoulder, so let's get this item moving
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: considering we're 100% outta unoccupied holes in which to put folx
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's get the 2nd xyz plant specced an' bought this mo
BingoBoingo: In other news, lower office holding Cristinists are already proposing a return of the Blue Dollar. Nevermind the Argentine Central bank is dumping dollars onto the market now just trying to slow the Peso Argentino's fall.
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo , couldja run for me these timings plz
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/4-tor-users-sentenced-in-us/ << Qntra -- 4 Tor Users Sentenced In US
BingoBoingo: Las empresas de consumo masivo aumentan sus precios hasta 15% y el Gobierno evalúa qué hacer con "Precios Esenciales" << Headline across the river
asciilifeform: this ^ is simple means of testing the logger for folx not yet ready to stand up bot. e.g. : zcat dump.gz | psql -U nsabot -d nsalog will eat (assuming you already inited db w/ the provided schema)
asciilifeform: if folx want to mirror, i'd prefer that also happen daily, otherwise no amt of pipe will suffice
asciilifeform: i expect will be roughly 3x that when all the back-archives added.
asciilifeform: currently set to snapshot at 0 hrs. daily. (snapshot itself takes ~8sec at the current mass of the db)
asciilifeform will put in readme , for next patch, how to set up the cron for these
asciilifeform: meanwhile, added 'download daily db snapshot' link to logotron.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/burn-after-reading/ << Trilema -- Burn After Reading
asciilifeform: attn panzers : whichever 1 of you is searching for 'cuts of the meat' -- that's in pre-dragon log, not yet imported.
asciilifeform: and that phf did not use these, but hung up his logger straight on port80
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that nginx, apache, etc. are intrinsically dead weight, when sat in front of a programmatic html shitter
asciilifeform: and now phf's log -- of 'heavy' pg -- via same. pretty interesting. total load time (to the tester author's box) -- 0.646s ; 1st byte -- 0.254s .
asciilifeform now thoroughly stumped, ~all 3~ seem to show ~same 'time to first byte'
asciilifeform: for non-piz comparison : trilema www, via same .
asciilifeform: for comparison : diana_coman's www via this same tool .
asciilifeform: all the clues point to nginx.
asciilifeform: so i still suspect it aint the pipe ( diana_coman lives at piz )
asciilifeform: e.g. time curl "http://ossasepia.com/" > /dev/null >> real 0m1.597s and weighs 108k atm
asciilifeform: it is even possible that the pipe is to blame, i.e. the measurement is 'random' depending on how congested the pipe at piz on acct of e.g. the multiple trb noads sitting there
asciilifeform has nfi why the # given for 'all' vs the 1st 'resource' could differ
asciilifeform: the 'heavy' pg again, via yet another 'www debugger'. 0.5s time-to-first-byte ! ..and defo shows the 'burst' pattern.
asciilifeform: ( from asciilifeform's chair ; 0.9 when executed locally on dulap , via ng i.e. the public url )
asciilifeform: this aint a cure tho (afaik not all browsers eat it)
asciilifeform: btw time curl -H "Accept-Encoding: gzip" http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log yields avg. 0.4s . so indeed default curl dun eat gzip.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928196 << lobbes does this result in same eggogs when eating your archive as before ?
asciilifeform: aint nginx, apache, etc supposed to ~cure~ impedance mismatches, rather than cause'em...
asciilifeform: if this box weren't also running phuctor, could simply hang the logger on port 80 and get, theoretically, 200-300msec loads, loox like.
asciilifeform will try on various FF later today. other folx welcome to report theirs.
asciilifeform: this thing dun seem to distinguish the phases of the load tho (only distinguished load from rendering, and cuts the latter into phases. which makes a kind of sense, tool is evidently for debug of 'slow cuz hands of who wrote html-shitter grow from arse' scenarios )
snsabot: Logged on 2018-04-18 21:58:18 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
asciilifeform: via chromistic timer , get 1.40s for the heaviweight sample
asciilifeform: it aint best possible pipe, but pretty good; and , as i pointed out already, effect persists ~without~ it ( i.e. operating curl within dulap shaves only 200msec vs to my chair; and has same peculiar 'burst' pattern and wild variance in total time )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 10:41:12 mp_en_viaje: 3s for 80kb is scandalous, but i'd say it's the poor q of your bw, nothing you can do about that from software.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928224 << ftr i routinely get 1-2 MB/s from my chair to dulap and reverse
asciilifeform: https://tools.pingdom.com/#5b22d518dfc00000 << this one confirms my init observ., almost whole second in 'connect' + 'wait' ( and 5 in receive , doesn't say in what pattern, but visually curl in the 'slow even on local shell' variant appears 'bursty' )
mp_en_viaje: unless they took it out, like the screenshot thing
mp_en_viaje: firefox too
asciilifeform: iirc chromisms have timer, i have box w/ one
mp_en_viaje: all gfx browsers have a timer thing
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, do inspect element or similar, developer toolbox, we
asciilifeform: pretty certain that the pipe itself is blameless, i get consistent realtime work through it, not once long pings much less subjective feel of 'mars probe'
asciilifeform: tried large buffers, no buffers, various tcpism knobs, no obv culprit for the impedance mismatch (what i suspect this is )
asciilifeform: i found no obvious cause, but in process of knob turning combinatorics cut the delay somewhat ( seems to only be detectable in graphic wwwtrons tho, and , annoyingly, cannot actually get useful number from those, unlike curl )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly i did not elaborate , but on box's own shell, if viewing through ngx , fully 1-2s moar delay than if direct to port where py proggy
mp_en_viaje: who even knows, maybe "smart router" decided to priviledge you connection
asciilifeform: knew this, same sans cache
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 10:37:40 mp_en_viaje: $ time curl http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09 yields real 0m5.405s
mp_en_viaje: 3s for 80kb is scandalous, but i'd say it's the poor q of your bw, nothing you can do about that from software.
mp_en_viaje: use the mouse hoover tooltips, they're informative. anyways, the webpage itself is good grade, by web standards.
mp_en_viaje: tbh in your case looks mostly like slow / poorly burstable pipe ; if you look at the waterfal it's mostly grey (receiving), 95% of the 2.x seconds they wait
mp_en_viaje: $ time curl http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09 yields real 0m5.405s
asciilifeform not habitual wwwist and was unaware this existed
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ty for the tool link, will try with it
asciilifeform: but would like to confirm that other folx see similar figure, and aint an artifact of asciilifeform's local cachism
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: log now also 1-2s here ( ~3 for the 'heavy' historic pg linked earlier )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, looks like about 1-2s for a large (400kb) page (a ; b), though id you actually look into the waterfalls the page itself is composed in 400-500ms, the rest being wats for random repeatable elements (which most browsers don't re-load) like avatar.pngs favicon.ico sbtop.png etc
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/holy-shit-i-woke-up-by-myself/ << Trilema -- Holy shit, I woke up by myself.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 06:02:15 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928201 << i dun 'upgrade', lol. and also admittedly never before tried to get a www to load in <1s specifically. ( btw -- does trilema for all pgs ? )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 13:29:09 mp_en_viaje: and yes alflog still teletype, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 loaded in ~5s
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to try the 'heavy' log pgs, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927995
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/bring-it-on/ << Trilema -- Bring It On
mp_en_viaje: maybe they could add the fat black woman at airport to dole out cabs to a queue ? god knows new york's prime for that.
mp_en_viaje: https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-considers-lifting-hostel-ban-to-lure-more-tourists-11565649721 << in other fucking lulz, new york joins the chase for norse retards.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 01:29:02 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927288 << archiver back online btw (it has been chugging through the backlog for the last 4 hours or so)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928198 < tyvm!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 22:07:05 asciilifeform: i'ma have to set whole orchestra up on a box w/ classic apache, to see whether same thing
a111: Logged on 2019-07-14 08:12 mp_en_viaje: so since thelastpsychiatrist.com went all fucking stupid (cloudflare aside, and mountain of pointless js aside, there's a spurious 1min delay before any pageload also now!), i scraped the article list both from archive page and category page, and downloaded the list.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ? ☝︎
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927288 << archiver back online btw (it has been chugging through the backlog for the last 4 hours or so)
asciilifeform: nao almost tolerable
asciilifeform squeezed out a bit of the delay via knob-turning but this is still ridiculous
asciilifeform: ( and if cures, move dulap entirely to classic apache. back in the old days went w/ 'nginx' because slightly moar miserly re memory )
asciilifeform: i'ma have to set whole orchestra up on a box w/ classic apache, to see whether same thing
asciilifeform: reason why never noticed this effect with phuctor, is that its pages are small
asciilifeform: cachism is apparently red herring, the proggy is actually fast enuff. there is parasitism in the loop.
asciilifeform: approx 0.2s is eaten by transmission on net from BingoBoingostan to my chair; the rest is eaten by the www server somehow
asciilifeform: actual generation of e.g. current /log, takes 0.073s !
asciilifeform: err, nginx there, presently. interestingly, set up as experiment 'wsgi', python's equiv. of php's 'mod-php', and made ~no measurable diff !
asciilifeform: ... 100% of the time diff, apparently, in response req time
asciilifeform: culprit, apparently , the frontend
asciilifeform: but!! only via apache ! i.e. time curl http://127.0.0.1:5002/log dun show either the variance or the slowdown.
asciilifeform: interestingly, seems to vary there by factor of ~2x !
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that the indices work here (pg 9) and not there (10)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-biology-is-destiny-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Biology Is Destiny. Adnotated.
mp_en_viaje: gah this is frustrationg
mp_en_viaje: anyone recall the trilema article (maybe comment ?) where i was explaining that choice's not constructive, one gotta pick A-or-B or else C-or-D, can't pick imaginarily A-or-D because D doesn't exist in a system with A.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928149 << pretty great. tropical cricket ?
asciilifeform: dijkstra spent whole life killing trees on subj of deadlocking etc. but the subj is deep enuff for 9000 dijkstras.
asciilifeform: ( and typically sooner than you think )
asciilifeform: this is actually the interesting thing about multiprocesstronic proggies. as alluded to by spyked . the improbable -- is certain to eventually happen.