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mircea_popescu: orly.
mircea_popescu: because identity being expensive, it's no longer productive to attack.
mircea_popescu: trivially solved with wot anyway.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin equivalent of "did leia really enjoy it" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: and that's my point here : these are discussions of no substance used by reddit dorks to be discussing things.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yes fluffs, in a game theoretic universe where cows are spherical and it rains glass, one could accidentally make a cow snowglobe.
mircea_popescu: people became intellectually enamoured with it and keep spouting it everywhere, as a sort of cargo-cult bitcoin "knowledges"
mircea_popescu: Adlai the "withholding" thing is idiocy of prime order. it existe,d historically (ie, cca 2011) and was a problem for early pools. but it was SHARE withholding, not block withholding. it was fixed meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: so
mircea_popescu: do you have any idea how long it'd take a pool (just that, nothing else) to make back 100 dollars after server costs ?
mircea_popescu: this attack makes 0 sense.
mircea_popescu: wait, a pool makes virtually no money.
mircea_popescu: the cost of 1) is what, 100k ? 500k ? the cost of 2) is what, 100k ? 500k ? the benefit from the gained market share is... what ?
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: as a result of 1 and 2, 50% of people mining on B move, leaving it with 11% hash rate. the resulting 24% difference moves to pools, 90% of which are A's.
mircea_popescu: 2. ddos' pool B. as if ddos is not actually a solved problem.
mircea_popescu: 1. makes 500 new pools. complete with persuasive admins (1 per) who keep social media profiles etc.
mircea_popescu: now, pool A does the following :
mircea_popescu: fluffypony let's see this. pool A has 25% of hash rate. pool B has 30% of hash rate. there's 45 other pools each with 1%.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: right. so people don't care unless they do ?
mircea_popescu: someone, somewhere, must have cared.
mircea_popescu: yet they're gone.
mircea_popescu: i mean... they should still be here, riught ? they owned a year ago, right ? what happened ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony if miners actually don't care, how do you explain 50btc/btcguild's demise after their collusion with gavin last year ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai the attack itself, as a model, does not work.
mircea_popescu shrugs. derps in reddit care who said god hates faggots. yet people who actually have stuff riding on this don't care about stuff that matters. i dunno, seems rather anecdotal.
mircea_popescu: the discussion i mean. there's srsly nothing there.
mircea_popescu: eh that's been done to death.
mircea_popescu: which attack is this ?
mircea_popescu: jurov upon inspection seems it went out a while ago ?
mircea_popescu: small miners don't care, but this is universal - they don't care about anything, including rig safety.
mircea_popescu: which is why large miners make their own.
mircea_popescu: miners care deeply who owns a pool.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ we left aside the idiots in question and are discussing the theoretic theory.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the fact we can't observe it doesn't allow us to value it at 0.
mircea_popescu: same for a wallet or anything.
mircea_popescu: the barrier to entry to making mpex is not "making the software". same for pools,
mircea_popescu: you seem to go on this remnant of forum dumb where the technical costs are relevant in bitcoin. they are not.
mircea_popescu: no, because the cost is principally social.
mircea_popescu: unless there's actually C1...Cn and any of THEIR hash rate grows.
mircea_popescu: which is the real risk here : if pools collaborate TOO MUCH we end up with usg 2.0
mircea_popescu: so ? even if there's only two - the +ev outcome is collaboration not hostility.
mircea_popescu: so model a case for me ?
mircea_popescu: territoriality developed in living things for instance specifically to try and pierce this problem.
mircea_popescu: even leaving aside the rank nonsense of the particular "analysis". the concept that it is somehow game-theoretic feasible for a one-of-many arrangement to attack everyone is at least bizarre.
mircea_popescu: dude am i the only one with a scrollback or something. how is the "nash equilibrium" stuff sensible.
mircea_popescu: jurov you highlighted me for withdrawals. you still need it ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how is it not ?
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ i'd read it.
mircea_popescu: jurov you still need this ?
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: and ima go eulora. laters!
mircea_popescu: Chillum lasers are cheap and getting cheaper.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could make the dots 1 sqcm
mircea_popescu: actually the bronze age items will still be imperceptibly altered long after new york is barely a flat spot in the sediment record.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why it couldn't.
mircea_popescu: bronze is the most durable thing we have.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it wouldn't work, imo. 1984 so deeply depends on very male erotic sentiment.
mircea_popescu: Chillum if you could get it to work on bronze...
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/7a18b42546599744d309f33bf22c294a/tumblr_n3hc0skbZU1tpwtg5o1_1280.png
mircea_popescu *beatings*
mircea_popescu: yeah, because god forbid their stupid "mind" ie narciself ever has to adapt to anything.
mircea_popescu: just... why the fuck would i.
mircea_popescu: trinque im certainly able to cut the whole lot off.
mircea_popescu: im sure they already do it in the ghetto.
mircea_popescu: and they tricked him with a rare stamp, guy lost a kidney.
mircea_popescu: actually, i now recall there was this ancient... czech maybe ? film, about a stamp collector
mircea_popescu: ha.
mircea_popescu: nope ?
mircea_popescu: and divorced her.
mircea_popescu: wife gave him a kidney (they matched), he cleanned up his act
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i knew of a guy who was a total slob, ended up giving himself renal failure.
mircea_popescu: or simple seneca-ism.
mircea_popescu: narrow space in the head, so everything ends up the other thing all the time. broken shit.
mircea_popescu: imagine you just found out how to neglect noise in a noisy room
mircea_popescu: well, neglect indeed can be enjoy.
mircea_popescu: this isnt masochism per se.
mircea_popescu: women to some degree are coded to neglect pain or else they'd never get pregnant.
mircea_popescu: whereas, plain female submission (either natural, or else imprinted/misdeveloped) is quite common.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, actual masochism is quite rare. about as rare as actual homosexuals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the masochists you imagine and the masochists you'll encounter are guaranteed to never meet.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i am not proposing you're no good here.
mircea_popescu: so... you know, picking something way down off the list of either doesn't make much of a connection
mircea_popescu: similarly, more people in bdsm are after the humiliation than the straight pain.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the pain per se is rarely sought by the body mod crowd. as trinque points out, attention whoring much higher on the list.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: for instance voting.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if your idea of bdsm is "hurty things are nice" and idem of body mods, the problem is this will overlap anything.
mircea_popescu: this particular californite pron producer.
mircea_popescu: weirdo kabuki nobody takes seriously.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and for the record, the overlap between bdsm and "scenes" is roughly the overlap between human sexuality and brazzers.
mircea_popescu: the overlap is : poor, stupid, young adults.
mircea_popescu: there's a large overlap between idiotic sjw types, fair going lice-in-hair types, gender-and-social-role-issues types and perceived-scandalous-stuff types.
mircea_popescu: no there isn't.
mircea_popescu: since when is buggy code bad ?
mircea_popescu: depends what you're looking for.
mircea_popescu: hence deranged.
mircea_popescu: i know it can't be.
mircea_popescu: really bad example. eating is pleasurable.