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asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have no desire for 'improved apache', any more than for 'improved ms vb'
mp_en_viaje: and this even bearing in mind no such thing locally exists in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: than of producing "improved apache" through hacking on linuxbox
mp_en_viaje: you have a much better chance of spending your night drinking with washington equivalent, local psycho dolls, through walking the street of wash dc randomly talking to people,
mp_en_viaje spent the night up until ~now drinking with "psycho dolls", polish item, these chicks that do fireworks and stuff. girls picked them up right off street days ago.
asciilifeform: lobbes's hieroglyphs barf oughta be handled. after that would like to leave the logger to other folx to patch, at least for nao.
mp_en_viaje: so then do something else.
asciilifeform: ( i'd rather paint grass green, if have any say, than to continue fiddling the knobs )
mp_en_viaje: where the fuck is the dozen people six months original discussion anyway
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if yer happy to live with 'teletype' i'ma entirely happily leave it entirely alone
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it's right there, comparable with fucking space race and yes, pyramid.
mp_en_viaje: we're seriously talking some heavy duty 1e12 orders of dampening magnitude here, how to take a trillion and make a tenth of a cent
asciilifeform: i suspect at this pt apache absorbed moar hrs than pyramid of cheops. and will welcome proof of 'yer hands grow out of arse, turn this-here knob and the 6s will become 0.2'.
mp_en_viaje: you're proposing to re-do all that to shave a second offa some webapp you misconfigured somewhere ? gimme a break, put 1/1000000 that much time into talking to internet randos about pizarro, get 1000000x the benefits.
mp_en_viaje: symbolics never in ~its entire life~... actually fucking strike that. all of mit cs lab, ALL OF IT, from csail onwards, never had a tenth of the fucking engineering man-hours that went into turning a patchy server into apache.
asciilifeform: i don't presently know why mp_en_viaje makes special pleading for apache et al to exempt'em from 'software is univerally shite'
mp_en_viaje: you're approximately the equivalent of that one guy nobody heard of from the manhattan project who decided early on to re-design cars because his window crane nubbin kept falling off. "dude, they already have cars" "yes but they're not right" "we're doing something ELSE here!" "i can't get there, my car's window's nubbin keeps falling off"
asciilifeform: proggy -- is published. if no one sheds light on e.g. how to banish the spurious delay, will have to approach the q with whatever method i know of ( or live with it )
mp_en_viaje: in your case it'd be of the brain. wtf is wrong with you!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: may well be doomed to write www serv before this is over.
asciilifeform: the sim-periphs all get thrd etc
mp_en_viaje: well so then use that, what.
mp_en_viaje: in this context, a working equivalent to apache's workers.
asciilifeform: depends what mean 'implement threading'
mp_en_viaje: (contrary to what naive nugget might be imagining, implementing threading on linux is not trivial ; and not even necessarily replicable by now.)
mp_en_viaje: but yes, this is the problem -- until and unless one ends up understanding how apache config works, one will not like it.
mp_en_viaje: nfi what you mean by "impedance mathc" either, it's an unusefully high level concept for this convo. if fs-is-my-cache and apache-workers items as they exist match your impedance, then yes it does. if they do not, then no it does not.
asciilifeform: ( and gigatonne of config liquishit to eat )
asciilifeform: the front-ends promise much, but deliver, afaik, mainly that extra sec of stall..
mp_en_viaje: "box is not doing, routerallah is doing", how shall i put this. there's no way to prevent a stampede as the guy being stampeded, it should be self-obvious
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this "filter ddos" thing is pipe dream. either you got outside box to do it, or you're nto doing.
mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ostensibly was supposed to impedance-match, buffer, filter ddosistic shenanigans, etc. but turns out -- double-edged
mp_en_viaje: otoh, apache is to my knowledge the only case of linux userland with useful threading implemented, debugged, and working. may be cheaper to piggyback on that subsystem than implement own threads, esp on the batshit insane anti-useful toybox that is linux.
mp_en_viaje: if you're not spitting out the filesystem, and don't need apache to run the infrastructure of whatever scripting language for you (ie, use python's native interpreter, or cl, bash w/e, rather than php) then you don't, strictly speaking, need it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 13:55:23 asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that nginx, apache, etc. are intrinsically dead weight, when sat in front of a programmatic html shitter
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928274 << i expect this is not even wrong ; apache exists to spit out filesystem to port 80 ; was then extended to spit out cgi and eventually mod php, but same principle.
asciilifeform will walk lobbes 's uniturds hexdump tomorrow, after sleep, its 0130 here
mp_en_viaje: MS-Windows HTML-authoring software definitely should implement the conversion table below! Please forward this mail to the developers of your HTML authoring tool if this is currently done wrong.
mp_en_viaje: The official CP1252<->Unicode conversion table is printed in the Unicode 2.0 standard for instance, and is available on <ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/pub/doc/ISO/charsets/> in the file ucs-map-cp1252. [See also the file ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP1252.TXT at the official Unicode site.]
mp_en_viaje: All the CP1252 characters are also available in Unicode. For example the CP1252 character 146 that you mentioned (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK) has the Unicode number 8217, therefore you should use this number in order to conform to the HTML standard. Modern HTML browsers like Netscape 4.0 understand Unicode, and will automatically convert the Unicode character &#8217; back into the character 146 on MS-Windows machines, and into the appropriate ch
mp_en_viaje: The characters 128-159 are not used in ISO 8859-1 and Unicode, the character sets of HTML. MS-Windows uses a superset of ANSI/ISO 8859-1, known to experts as "Code Page 1252 (CP1252)", a Microsoft-specific character set with additional characters in the 128-159 range (also known as the "C1" range).
mp_en_viaje: just fucking kill anything on the ground in argentina now and start over.
mp_en_viaje: fucktard. who THE FUCK is gonna give them rice for 20 years ? what "50% de nuestro sueldo" ? what the fuck nuestro, no hay nada que es argentino. 100% of everythng, and now.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, right, they're going to "alt-pay", which is a speshul argentina thing, and it totally isn't not-pay, it's pay. because they say, and if they say then fucking totally.
mp_en_viaje: this was discussed numerously, asdf has auto-magics to distinguish the various encodings.
BingoBoingo: From the lulz mines http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QBFoN/?raw=true
asciilifeform: quite arguably any proggy that uses heathen libs -- and pointedly includes my logger -- is pressed sawdust, worx until you hit whatever speshulcase the speshulchildren didn't think 'is possible'
asciilifeform: (i suspect answer lies deep in the CL libs that he used tho, and not necessarily in head.)
asciilifeform: phf's bot, incidentally, ate. now would be a notbad time for the fella to come the hell out of his coma and say how. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( is there a standard 'this is a dud orcogram' glyph ?? )
asciilifeform: if i don't find a mechanical method of somehow 'dwim'ing out the intended orcograms, i'ma have the bot replace'em with hammer-an'-sickle . unless someone has better idea.
asciilifeform: bot oughta log anyffin whatsoever that could possibly go in the wire.
asciilifeform: observe, incidentally, that this did not drop the bot.
asciilifeform: so, evidently py's uniturd eater is broken, and needs pre-massage if it is to become properly omnivorous
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 22:50:21 asciilifeform: lobbes: it wouldn't astonish me if turns out that some particular combo of uniturds -- breaks py's uniturdism eater
lobbes: asciilifeform: I mis-typed; I meant to say that *my own bot echoed* and it does not show in the log. (6 lines up from this line; from lobbesbot)
asciilifeform: lobbes: my bot only echoes own loglines. as per traditional mp-given style.
lobbes: I curled that very .log file just now and ran it through hexdump -C. Here is the result of that line (Hex comes out to "92") >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SSSVY/?raw=true
lobbes: here it is in "raw" form on the same www (timestamp [20:04:33]) >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2015-08-26.log
lobbes: so this is interesting... here's an example line from the live log that barfed on import >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2015-08-26.log.html#t20:04:33
asciilifeform: may well end up having to rewrite the formatter to use <table> . as in phuctor. there, and nowhere else , wrapping seems to work 100% , on all browser from 'lynx' to 1990s 'netscape'
asciilifeform: ( from ~output~ of phf's , that is, to this day nobody knows how it birthed this output )
asciilifeform: but where doesn't ( see the overflowing pgs ) currently nfi why, nor even where to start investigation
asciilifeform: to the extent that the renderer worx, is because lifted from phf's (and massaged empirically)
asciilifeform: i for instance have only the foggiest notion of why cssism does what it does and when/where
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 4d 1h 3m
asciilifeform: gotta say that mp was right in re front-end being tougher nut to crack than the bot
lobbes: would be a good discovery in any case. at this point I just wanna know why/what it is specifically
asciilifeform has been digging through logs for what details there may have been put there, but not yet turned up
asciilifeform: iirc phf struggled with something not unlike this, when wrote his CL proggy
asciilifeform: lobbes: it wouldn't astonish me if turns out that some particular combo of uniturds -- breaks py's uniturdism eater
asciilifeform: another page that breaks, apparently, wrapping
lobbes: seems to be a saner method
lobbes: of course, now I can't find the example haha. But okay, I'm going to go back and take another look with hexdump in-hand
asciilifeform: put it through hexdump -C .
lobbes: may be a better way to check bitrot, but I am pretty novice at this stuff
lobbes: well, I definitely saw some oddities in the raw logs on my end (as in, some of the problem lines had e.g. apostropies rendered as '?' when I viewed them through the 'more' command, for example)
asciilifeform: lobbes: seems to me that it shouldn't be hard to find whether 'because znc logs themselves' -- look in the raw logs
asciilifeform: lobbes: a++ . i'ma try it in coming days ( need #a , #p eaten )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:49:12 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, and more importantly ... if you have it published today to lookat it in 2029 you can ; and if not you... can not. and so on.
lobbes: No rush to sign anyway. Main reason I even published was mp_en_viaje's solid reasoning >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927639
asciilifeform: ^ expert wwwists in the house ? plox to write in
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 12:29:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928196 << lobbes does this result in same eggogs when eating your archive as before ?
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928256 << it is inconclusive if the eggogs are a result of the znc2tmsr converter, or the znc logs themselves. Now that I have your logotron pressed onto my cuntoo workstation, I aim to get some irssi #e logs and run them through diana_coman's irssi2tmsr converter, and then snarf that into your logotron to see if I also get barf.
BingoBoingo: Well, Argentines are talking about the possibility that "Brasil quits Mercosur" instead of the far more likely "Argentina suspended from Mercosur" (Venezuela is the precedent in this case)
BingoBoingo: "Molinos no entregan harina por falta de precios y se paraliza la industria del pan" << https://archive.is/RbAe7 Latest from across the river
asciilifeform: it is found down at the bottom , with the rest 'shit hanging off side of the rifle' perpetrated by asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ( not strictly as 'toy for noobs' but will help torture-test , perhaps readers will turn up some case where renders barf )
asciilifeform: in other noose, added simple knob to logotron that sends reader to (p)random line of selected chan.
BingoBoingo: And they'd be doing this with even less dollars in their hands than the last time they tried.
BingoBoingo: Return of the Blue dollar means they peg again and go back to fighting reality on this clearly lost front
BingoBoingo: Well, when Cristina got kicked out of the Pink house and into congress... Argentina started floating their currency
asciilifeform: so what means then 'return of blue dollar' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there was the offical rate proclaimed by Cristina, and then there was the Blue rate everyone actually traded at
asciilifeform: hm i thought that was the only remaining kind after dethronement of whore
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: let's get the 2nd xyz plant specced an' bought this mo << Aite
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iirc "Blue" was the dollar that tracked actual supply/demand
asciilifeform: ( y'know, the one that was Officially Pegged (tm) at 15 to 1 $ , whereas in reality 100+:1 )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 18:24:25 BingoBoingo: In other news, lower office holding Cristinists are already proposing a return of the Blue Dollar. Nevermind the Argentine Central bank is dumping dollars onto the market now just trying to slow the Peso Argentino's fall.