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Namworld: Yes, all I'm saying is, if they're biased, okay. But why blame them for people confusing them for being official?
mircea_popescu: "o, i'm not racist, it's just how i run my forum which is mine"
pankkake: I forgot there is https://www.bitcoinforum.com/ too - jurov uses it
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. why would these derps run a bitcoin forum ?
Namworld: Why would I run a catholic choir?
Namworld: A little mention "not official, Bitcoin is decentralized" under the names would be nice, but what if they don't? I ain't going to harass them all day long, now, should I?
Namworld: It claims to be a Bitcoin forum like the foundation says Bitcoin Foundation. That people perceive them as official or not, I don't care.
Namworld: I wasn't aware it was somehow official. Is the Bitcoin foundation official too?
Namworld: There's a reason why I'm not a forum admin tho, hard decisions to make, everyone always butthurt all the time, more bland content and same old being repated you can't read and filter everything.
Namworld: I'm not there to protect people's feeling like I'm not there to protect people from scammers. Just preventing straight up inflamatorry posts without substance.
Namworld: No. But as admin I get to determine what is and what isn't acceptable. Even if the nuance is subtle.
mircea_popescu: is there a difference between "i perceive a difference" and "there is a difference" ?
Namworld: There's a difference between "This guy is a scammer LINK" "This is a scam because X, Y, Z or because I think so" and "You sound like a scammer, get the fuck out you dimwit scum"
Namworld: And I wouldn't ban scam accusations, weither true or false, like I wouldn't ban someone I thought is probably a scammer, weither true or false?
ozbot: Leah McGrath Goodman: "I Am Satoshi Nakamoto" | The CoinFront | Bitcoin News
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novusordo: "I am insulted that this person is calling out my scam"
mod6: I wanted MPOE-PR to kill that site with fire.
Namworld: Honestly, I'd probably just ban people insulting others/derailing threads regardless of how likely they are right or the accused is a scammer.
kakobrekla: you can still rate even if you are banned so i use that to leave messages to people
mircea_popescu: tbh i think it's where mpoe-pr's outlook turned.
Namworld: I'd probably have left him there, yes. Let people rate each other/sort scammers out/investigate offers. It's trivial to make new accounts anyway. Scammers might as well keep their account with psts but also tainted reputation.
mircea_popescu: i'm extraditing myself over to the bar in a minute.
Namworld: Perhaps, I didn't read about that part of deleting posts complaining about moderators.
ThickAsThieves: Namworld i think your view is too black & white on the matter
Namworld: I can see why they'd say they only ban people derailing conversations/insulting without proofs. And just put a little scammer tag only once it's proven it's a scam.
ThickAsThieves: <moiety> ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic. /// seems a step too far for me, i'll just not visit anymore unless to view a reference from this chan, or the like
Namworld: I'm sure it's a job for many on the forums/otc.
mircea_popescu: Namworld good point re the relative safety. i guess many of them aren't unaware of it.
bounce: asleep at the wheel then trying to pull a sgt. hardass, wasn't too impressive from what little I saw of it.
Namworld: So, well... yeah, I'm not surprised. Those kind of people will be around as long as it works.
Namworld: I guess in some places, $5 per hour is excellent pay.
moiety: mircea_popescu: i just caught up properly. is mpoe-pr ok? I hope so. it's pretty rough going dealing with shit for a long time and it then it ending unfairly.
mike_c: honey for the scammors. i'll try it again sometime.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do i know
mircea_popescu: benkay i suppose it depends a lot on where you live etc
mike_c: i guess it's just that the other water sources are filled with sewage, so the ringworm doesn't look so bad.
mike_c: ok. yes, i see that point.
mike_c: i suppose. i wish -otc were better, but it's not.
mike_c: there is a practicality here. i can actually buy bitcoin with coinbase (with no $$ balance). there are extremely limited other ways for me to do that.
mircea_popescu: well i see what you mean, but! i imagine so do you.
mike_c: steal my 401k, what the fuck do i care? it's worthless anyway.
mircea_popescu: i don't think the average us person realises exactly how fucked they are. and the "well everyone else is just as fucked" thinkin doesn't really work.
mike_c: it's not making bitcoin paypal. once i buy my bitcoin, coinbase is no longer involved.
mircea_popescu: i could withdraw your 401k early and guess what ? even if you do gert it back, the tax is still due.
mircea_popescu: i could take out a new credit card.
mircea_popescu: i could change your tax accountant
mircea_popescu: i got your actual passport, i got your address, your cc number, anything.
mircea_popescu: what if i go out and steal your server now ?
mike_c: yes, so my buys are recorded. what am i going to do? use localbitcoin and buy all my coin on the street corner?
mike_c: i like coinbase. i don't have to hold any $$ with them in order to buy btc.
ThickAsThieves: bitpay i want my pound of flesh!
ThickAsThieves: lol http://i.imgur.com/uJY9QN3.jpg
ThickAsThieves: k i added the link as-is for now with suggestion for rewrite
ThickAsThieves: that i hate bullshit?
bounce: pr00f of h4x, I say. just like mpoe-pr clearly got h4xx0red. the mod was right!
ThickAsThieves: ok i've added short descriptions to all the wiki links so far, surely they'll need editing and maybe some references
ThickAsThieves: well i did post it
bounce: so I tried a writeup wrt something on -otc: http://pastebin.ca/2690120 apart from zomfg too long, comments?
kakobrekla: if there is something specific you want to do i can tell you what you need to do
VanCleef: and as i said earlier will probably close down sometime this year
VanCleef: i think this will affect havelock more so
mircea_popescu: i recall j-something was suspected of it
VanCleef: i mean article
mike_c: i mean, either demo-ed before a rapturous audience
ThickAsThieves: but i can see how it's possible to facilitate such and some benefits it could bring
ThickAsThieves: i still think having the shares "listed" isnt a good path
ThickAsThieves: kako how do i get wiki access
ThickAsThieves: i think they should not be on the exchange
ThickAsThieves: i dont share that concern
moiety: <mircea_popescu> "[...] without being silly." << you did just ask me, but i will try.
moiety: I'm not actually allowed to include manuls in this am i
kakobrekla: moiety at this point, a lot of flash, i think.
danielpbarron: how about you have your missile and i'll have mine? no need to personify Bitcoin
danielpbarron: i don't need to read the logs to understand you are collectivizing all bitcoin users as if they all have the same goals
ThickAsThieves: nah i'll help more tho
ThickAsThieves: i made the categories and two links! what more do you want!
mircea_popescu: i just hope she doesn't want to learn breastfeeding.
mircea_popescu: doubt we're that far yet, but i can appreciate your point in principle.
mircea_popescu: well yes i bias.
mircea_popescu: i think this is the road to prevention.
mircea_popescu: in that meta sense : i'm quite happy with it, because it both creates caselaw and casepeople.
mike_c: i guess the issue is that this is a cash flow statement, and the charge belongs on the balance sheet.
ThickAsThieves: i suppose a shareholder should read footnotes and know he'll come in owing some divs
ThickAsThieves: i disagree with that
mircea_popescu: i think this is a better solution
ThickAsThieves: i think it is not the shareholders that should be owed
mike_c: i was thinking tx fees on sending out refunds
mike_c: i feel like i've asked this before, but: bitbet revenue line 'fees from refunds'. how are fees that bitbet paid considered revenue?
mike_c: i didn't figure out the algorithm.
benkay: i see you debugging -assets in production, mike_c
mike_c: i know, right? no days off around here
benkay: now i have to read the logs
benkay: mike_c: i for one do not appreciate the fix
benkay: i'm considering telling a PM that all of his company's backups failed and have been corrupted for the past month.
Mats_cd03: i spent a few mins reading and i was trying to figure out if im really fucking high or the logs are broken
benkay: chetty: some day this year i'll get an office and move back to multiple monitors
benkay: i'm sure nothing happened
chetty: I dont even like coding on a laptop if I can help it
thestringpuller: so I'd imagine they are spending in excess