asciilifeform: jurov: i'm aware of the nuances, yes. incl. herr tito's story.
asciilifeform: mail corrections to herr limonov. the basic point stands - ru owned these folks every bit as 'legitimately' as rome owned anything. and then it walked out because its brain was under the control of alien pederasts. whose tendrils are being ejected, slowly but surely.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the part with illiterate idiots (west) - yes
asciilifeform: jurov: since europe tried to 'grab its gun' in '41 and failed.
asciilifeform: 1) create fictional countries carved out of opponent's meat 2) prattle on about 'democracy' and 'legitimacy' 3) ??? 4) profit
asciilifeform: usg/nato to ru: 'stop running your nose into my fist!'
asciilifeform: roach extermination will not stop (unless usg somehow rids itself of mr p)
asciilifeform: jurov: wait wat!? isis has come to your town ?
asciilifeform: bagels7: Can't I just make an honest living << at what?
asciilifeform: chetty: not specifically magnetic core. but the general principle, of a machine built for intelligent, educated folks, who are -expected to understand- it.
asciilifeform: i'd include stallman - but my picture of 'graybeard' is about having experienced 'real computing'
asciilifeform: can debate, but he fails a number of basic tests for the category, not limited to age
asciilifeform: i'm with jurov on this one. both 'sent usa home' with tail between legs. and remain dreary idiot peasant uprisings.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's put it this way - the arab lands burn, and we know the arsonist - usg. who can say that arsonist is not still in control?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far usg is keeping these folks intensely interested in clitori butterfly collections and not the least bit in higher mathematics, without apparently breaking a sweat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: human material matters.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iran - 'tried shit.' i would need serious evidence of pig flight before believing that fundamentalist clerical revolutions are anything other than usg 'yi yi zhi yi' methods.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: may as well ask 'where's the better chance, mars or venus? and ant civilization or cockroach civilization'
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: generally folks who have usefully sharp tools and actually understand microshit guts - aren't talking. because what is to be gained from public talk.
asciilifeform: aha islamic curriculum. i'm not seeing 'we'll kill adelberger & co. and force al schwartz's equivalence principle violation experiment to be carried out.'
asciilifeform: undata: forget for a minute the propaganda. think of the starting material. if you were told that 'perhaps the modern greeks are intellectual giants, but u.s. propaganda obscures this' would you believe? or be justifiably skeptical.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where are the noteworthy intellectual achievements of the new caliphate? e.g., are they throwing out winblows (and not via return to 15th c. tech) ? who is paid to think thoughts in the lands of the new flag, and what kind of thoughts ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'A revolution without dancing is not a revolution' but - s/dancing/mathematics
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i get that anti-intellectual 'black hundreds' phenomena are an expected thing. yes, they're inevitable after corrupt 'scientocracies' fuck up the planet. but - it still sucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik isis is about as interesting as the iranian revolution. and for the same reason.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps as many as there are archimedes among modern greeks ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who hasn't. how many al-kwarizmis among isis now ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's pure mathematics doing in isisland ?
asciilifeform: undata: orchestrated prelude for gestapo. it'll be greeted with cheering crowds. at first.
asciilifeform: it was simply against 'knock'im over the head and take pistol' thing.
asciilifeform: in ussr (at one time) policemen were required to walk their beat in pairs. for this reason.
asciilifeform: the 'police brutality' crap is orchestrated by u.s. lizard media. ergo it is simply a prelude to a 'sudden, brilliant, hope, change 11!111!!' 'solution' - a national gendarmerie. think 'dhs' but this time 'for real.'
asciilifeform: undata: defeating enemies on earth looks expensive, but is cheaper than space flight and terraforming (the latter, no one has even an elementary clue how to even estimate the cost.)
asciilifeform: notice that nuke does not prevent owner from being killed, but increases the cost. and there are other ways to affect the cost.
asciilifeform: undata: to repurpose an old proverb: 'beware of turing's tarpit, where anything is possible but nothing of interest is easy.'
asciilifeform: undata: sure - change. this does not disprove above scheme.
asciilifeform: undata: for 'everyday engineering' definition of 'get away' - sure. who, exactly, lives in usa that usg cannot kill 'with impunity' ?
asciilifeform: undata: the one that can clobber the others (should there be any) 'with impunity' is called 'sovereign'.
asciilifeform: undata: pick a square metre of planet, and you can come up with one or more parties that 'can kill with impunity' there.
asciilifeform: undata: notice that i did not specify what i personally like (who the hell cares) - but did make a claim re: mechanics.
asciilifeform: 'cops shouldn't kill with impunity', parsed through intellectual honesty filter, simply implies 'a different set of bandits should be able to kill with impunity, including possibly killing original set'
asciilifeform: the state, by definition, 'kills with impunity'
asciilifeform: jurov: flood was on home pipe, not at my www hoster
asciilifeform: (and before anyone asks, no, that isn't an actual 'actiontek' - spoofed mac for isp that originally shipped one)
asciilifeform: ^ all from misconfigured consumer routers, it appears.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could make a deal where you prepaid consumption at fixed rate. so i did << and then how many tons of aluminum did you refine? or wasted!
asciilifeform was not able to determine if face meant 'thanks' or 'you moron'. experiment wasted.
asciilifeform recalls experiment where, when leaving ro in april, paid cabbie in airport with a benjie instead of exact change in local bills. he made an odd face.
asciilifeform: it only appears cheap to folks who are not inmates.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3x what a house apparently costs in ohio << dirty math here. house in ohio costs 100% of a typical ohio inmate's disposable income. just like in ca or dc.
