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cgcardona_: funny he finally answered the *day after* I talked shit on twitter.
cgcardona_: btw I finally heard back from the PiperWallet dude after a month. He said he was so slammed w/ orders that he hadn't checked his email and somehow my order got lost (sigh). Refunded me the btc and shipped the device. Should be here any day.
mircea_popescu: i say that's a big deal.
robwhiz22: Also, ad hominem name-calling (obviously) doesn't improve designs. However, I have had bosses that swear like sailors, so I will let it slide.
pankkake: I inserted a double bold character but it was stripped by the ircd. silly
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, you have misunderstood me and I do not intend to receive any internal informatoin about your supply chain, designs, or anything else. I would just contribute based on what I have found publicly.
fluffypony: I agree with pankkake
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I don't need to know the details.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22> (And won't be asking for some.) I mean, I see that you are concerned whether the chips that you have selected can really be trusted not to be reflashable over USB. This will be addressed briefly in the shorter documen.t
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I didn't ask you for any details.
robwhiz22: Out of my experience, it does help to receive half up-front and then half when I state the documents are prepared and show their existence and length.
robwhiz22: I don't need any details or any input from you. The process doesn't need to be iterative.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I will include an analysis of whether you can rely on your chip design which cannot be reflashed over USB, as part of the first part (the Cardano A full document).
asciilifeform: though i intend to invest in one as soon as i get more floor space.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I am also not selling completed designs but rather internal high-level proposals for your consideration.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I guarantee you that you will see very big value in your resulting market. In additition, no longer selling snake oil- i.e. a product that actually works in the usage cases offered - is its own reward.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, for both of those reasons it would not make very much sense for me to take their idea and compete with them. They're just the ones to do it. (Or so I thought.)
robwhiz22: fluffypony, as mircea_popescu and asciilifeform have shown by slipping 4 months on their delivery schedule, it is extremely difficult to bring a security product to market. Plus, it's their idea. It really would be better for them to have the proposals for their consideration. I suppose they can also share in here if they want wider feedback.
robwhiz22: well, mircea_popescu has said in channel that he put me on ignore (a strange reaction after inviting me in here.) As I presume he and the chief engineer make joint decisions, the only way the investors in s.nsa will have the benefits of the new design, and corrections to the existing design, is if they pay for them as part of supporting their investment. ("Adding value", so they say.)
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I'll wait for him to screw up again and hold him for random
fluffypony: I was about to extort 1 BTC out if him
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/sFD0P4M.jpg
mircea_popescu: guy's on my ignore, so we have a classical example of disaster of commons : i'm selling him your ears, fellow countrymen
mircea_popescu: i'll do it for 1 btc
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: don't bother private-messaging me - i'm done.
robwhiz22: can I up myself?
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I could be wrong of course.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, however I believe you are not interested in selling snake oil and would be genuinely interested in creating a product that meets your basic claims about it.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, if you were not interested I would have expected that reply from you to one of my two follow-up emails.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, I've never made a sale in apublic forum like htis.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I don't know, I mean, would he be pushing this hard if he'd never made a sale?
fluffypony: I'll be rich!
fluffypony: I'm going to ask for equity as well
robwhiz22: fluffypony, the amount varies. I've taken into consideration the fact that Polimedia is a 'startup' and also not asking for any equity, royalty, etc. It's also trailblazing something radically new.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: Well, to be fair, he's convinced me that I can sell a bullshit report for $25k. That's a learning:)
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, like I said if you are convincing people to trust an insecure design that is unfit for the usage case you sell, you are a fraud. Convincing people to trust it is fraudulent.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, it is not a main sourcecoming. I've only summarized things that render the Cardano totally unfit in its present form.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, the issue you brought up about reflashing is one that I wanted to address very briefly in the shorter write-up on the Cardano A. I believe you've found microcontrollers that can't be reflashed from USB.
ThickAsThieves: if i recall, the product will be demonstrated next week, no?
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, moreover perhaps attention to detail is what caused some of the shipping delays to begin with. This is why I wrote with a proposal to help while things can be helped.
robwhiz22: fluffypony I think they have sufficient investment to cover the design. It's a very low amount due to the category being totally new.
robwhiz22: (by 'this idea' I mean your device.)
robwhiz22: asciilifeform Because the machine is unfit to be manufactured today. Why would I "wait for it" and have this idea totally disappear, instead of being iterated on and working and being something big.
robwhiz22: (bounce, I've received agreements)
ThickAsThieves: i'm selling another 30min of !up to robwhizz for 54btc
fluffypony: But I'm sure you'll find it worth the money
bounce: robwhiz22, two can play the argument from authority game. plenty more read it and I don't see anyone agreeing with you. ie you failed to convince.
fluffypony: Guys if anyone is interested I'm selling my report on why robwhiz22's report is wrong for the low price of $20 000 in BTC up-front. If I get more than 3 buyers I'll include a copy of his report as well.
skylytez: Hi Mircea. I'm just trying to learn what I can from your blog. I'm actually looking for the 29 people
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: i spent hours trying to explain exactly this to him.
robwhiz22: bounce, the audience for that letter was Mircea who I think understands security to a certain level. I am happy to explain any of the points, but it was not a public document.
robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, did you read the pastebin? It was not cleaned up for a public disclosure but I can answer any questions on it.
ThickAsThieves: i think ascii would differ
Apocalyptic: robwhiz22, I don't think you did
robwhiz22: ThickAsThieves, I offered 3 specific ways in which the Cardano fails to meet its mission.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, as mentioned ad hominem attacks don't improve a design. I can say that usually, companies will have several iterations of completely internal design proposals that htey will consider. I've never heard of a company that wanted to ship products thta would have wanted proposals (even from consultants etc) to be public in this way.
kakobrekla: a fix is coming, later today i think.
bounce: robwhiz22: you were warned repeatedly that this was expected and required and I'm reasonably sure you gave permission for the receiver to do whatever they liked with the information.
kakobrekla: cause i made assumptions
kakobrekla: i just read the title.
robwhiz22: I did not intend for nubbins` to publish those two pastebins. I can answer any questions on them.
robwhiz22: Yes, I read how this works.
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> An ad hominem attack does not make your current design other than totally insecure and snake oil. It does not meet the usage case that was published, and is unfit for any purpose. You and Mr. Popescu can refuse my offer (of course) but the behavior I have seen in channel does not leave me surprised that you have missed your Christmas shipping time by 4 months.
punkman: but I am
ThickAsThieves: i know large wallets can get bogged to a crawl, but he's implying there is specificlaly programming to delete keys
Apocalyptic: i suspect he got confused with the keypool explanation that follows
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, I have no knowledge of bitcoin-qt deleting older keys, let alone "to make space"...
ThickAsThieves: i guess he's no steve jobs at least
dexX7: i once reported a gui issue on github and his response was "In any case feel free to make it what you think is better, I'm sick of bikeshedding about these kind of details." >_>"
nubbins`: sure, but i'm a m... ah, you get it
Apocalyptic: i thought you were a mathematician
bounce: ok, so, I'm not an expert and so I keep on wondering whether it's me or that guy who's not understanding, but at the same time my brains fall out. wtf is he on about?
mircea_popescu: da fuck am i gonna do now.
ThickAsThieves: i imagine thats the sound of Ken's hell
ThickAsThieves: I just realized this new Havelock IPO is another "AM" ...
nubbins`: tl;dr: "I am happy to provide the above services at 5% of that cost, i.e. for $25,000 - paid half up-front in BTC (about 54 BTC) and half upon project completion (about 54 BTC)."
ozbot: Dear Polimedia, In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announ - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: ;;google seinology "i'm a weed"
mircea_popescu: but i'm a weed
nubbins`: well, i *am* a mathematician
mircea_popescu: bounce no, i don't international tournament of youn mathematicians pimp. i international tournament of youn mathematicians whore.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i would guess you qualify as what they call a facilitator.
dexX7: i quoted the paste
bounce: the existence of elites, at least the part where some people are regarded as "better" than others in some sort of fancy or other, is not bad by and of itself. the problems arise (and I'd surmise egalitarians' complaints partly stem from this) when people work on shutting out other people on essentially arbitrary grounds so as to, well, keep the thing exclusive in ways quite disconnected from the original merit
dexX7: <bounce> http://pastebin.ca/2694974 + gephi => http://i.imgur.com/xfGIozu.png
ThickAsThieves: i chatted with him?
ThickAsThieves: "<MisterE> well was nice chatting with you for a time I'm not fucking around with the +m nonsense"
pankkake: I feel I only have one year left anyway
nubbins`: i mean, the same thing without ;;later tell
bounce: the way I'm doing it now is simply recording all the info and printing it. I suppose that getting the results for a single nick would be better done taking the set union of everyone assbot has rated with everyone the target has received ratings from. that's only two json queries (or a single select given access to the database)
mircea_popescu: or i guess boobiesbounce.biz
mircea_popescu: "Markus Persson @notch · 1h I got an invitation to this cool sounding exclusive "important people talk to each other and change the world" thing. I make games. Games." << twasn't me.
mircea_popescu: i think so. khersonus add an about page ? a name, a pic of you in a dilapidated room with half a cloth in the window ?
turbo_ac100: I use python -json.tools.
bounce: oh, he's got bitdragon whom got +1 after I posted the list
khersonus: here was my quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jr8W78NH
mircea_popescu: i thought he said 432 ?
bounce: you mean he says 438 and I say 436? let's see where the difference lies then
mircea_popescu: http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ << i was gonna blog this
kakobrekla: i know rite