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asciilifeform: it, interestingly, is still produced!
asciilifeform: (financial)
asciilifeform: that was 12c
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: its very existence presumes that people program on paper, far from a computer
asciilifeform: the history of the 16c is interesting, imho
asciilifeform: 48 - sure
asciilifeform: 16c? hardly
asciilifeform: usually north of 200 usd
asciilifeform: and the never-delay-after-keypress
asciilifeform: i actually like the simplicity of it
asciilifeform: http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-16C/HP-16C-M.JPG
asciilifeform: i am
asciilifeform: can then buy a crate full of ti
asciilifeform ought to sell his hp-16c
asciilifeform misplaced both of his, is contemplating getting another
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo had a ti-89 ?
asciilifeform: or there'd be no talk of google or arsebook etc. taking it up
asciilifeform: undata: 100% certain
asciilifeform: the real boojum is that c/unix/von neumann crapolade cannot abide the constraint of never-reboot.
asciilifeform: as if this were enough to be interesting.
asciilifeform: big whoop.
asciilifeform: decimation: it was already abolished on 'palm pilot'
asciilifeform: decimation: but it will be wasted on 1970s garbage os
asciilifeform: decimation: not hybrid, if their literature is to be believed, but rather a 'flash' fast and durable enough to substitute for dram entirely
asciilifeform: !up undata
asciilifeform: i don't care if it's made out of unicorn tears.
asciilifeform: snore.
asciilifeform: ^ c/unix/extant turdolade
asciilifeform: 'His team aims to complete an operating system designed for The Machine, called Linux++...'
asciilifeform: decimation: i'll take mr spam's word re: him having been paid to vandalize #b-a rather than -otc
asciilifeform: decimation: i can't picture forgoing a cockroach repellent simply because it may move the roaches to your neighbour
asciilifeform: let's see what mircea thinks when he gets back from his atomic dirigible voyage or wherever
asciilifeform: 'we do not go through weird gymnastics on account of terrorists' or the like
asciilifeform: if only out of principle
asciilifeform: but i imagine some of the folks here would be annoyed
asciilifeform: me? i don't care
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this would not require nanotube making any change to gribble, but would add an annoying extra step of having to auth a second time for rating
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and opening the gates using it
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: folks suggested assbot having a synchronized copy of gribble's wot
asciilifeform: or courier.
asciilifeform: or shortwave.
asciilifeform: can be another link.
asciilifeform: other nice thing about signed packets is that it no longer matters where they came from.
asciilifeform: easiest to move to custom si.
asciilifeform: as in my experiment.
asciilifeform: decimation: you're entirely correct that this will eventually be a thing, though. hence the need for stateless, single-packet auth hellos.
asciilifeform: no actual human transmits $maxint whatevers from a single ip per second/hour/etc
asciilifeform: decimation: nobody cancelled flood-banning
asciilifeform: decimation: why ?
asciilifeform: afaik this was probably obvious to everyone from the start.
asciilifeform: eventually wot must consist of signed packets.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: annoying.
asciilifeform: then, if you want to rate, still have to auth with gribble again though
asciilifeform: assbot with synchronized copy of gribble wot.
asciilifeform: iirc someone suggested this
asciilifeform: !up undata
asciilifeform: picture dr. evil sitting on 'pastebin', waiting.
asciilifeform: actually it'd have to be encrypted, or mitm vector.
asciilifeform: not encrypted. signed.
asciilifeform: why?
asciilifeform: but it can still go down, or lose bits selectively
asciilifeform: if pasting a signed ephemeral message, no need
asciilifeform: seems shaky
asciilifeform: hardwired dependence on pastebin then ?
asciilifeform: to the extent it makes sense to do it
asciilifeform: so as to have the ui we are accustomed to
asciilifeform: at any rate, the correct way to use it would be to have a proggy emulate an irc server and connect ordinary client to it
asciilifeform: and even if there were, it would be unsuitable for safety-critical signatures (e.g., wot ratings)
asciilifeform: decimation: right now there is no ready mechanism (except in my experiment, described earlier) for pronouncing ephemeral ('hot', machine-readable) keys for rapid signing
asciilifeform: weirdo protocol that would only by happenstance operate over irc
asciilifeform: decimation: because ugly
asciilifeform: synchronized copy ?
asciilifeform: separate auth to assbot would work, but how to feed through wot ?
asciilifeform: nanotube: it can only work if folks can authenticate with assbot (and hence with gribble, or equivalent) without exposing hostname
asciilifeform: and therefore functions predictably and perhaps in some way constructively.
asciilifeform: nanotube: my suggestion was to expel the enemy with an only slightly less annoying mechanism that is at least controlled by actual people, and not by spamming scum
asciilifeform: nanotube: let's look from another angle. right now, noobs are virtually banned from #b-a. but the ban is enforced by a hooligan, not by any of us
asciilifeform: nanotube: if he can do this, he deserves to be here.
asciilifeform: nanotube: he will have to go beyond passing the turing test, and into fabricating an interesting and invite-worthy personality each time.
asciilifeform: they read kakobrekla's www log, see who to pm, make a brief case for being invited
asciilifeform: if they wish to lurk.
asciilifeform: nanotube: except there wouldn't be one. people would be asked to read kakobrekla's www log.
asciilifeform: nanotube: with inviter mechanism bolted onto assbot
asciilifeform: nanotube: the only readily apparent way is '+i'
asciilifeform: nanotube: we were contemplating ways to expel the ddos idler from the channel in a permanent and generic way.
asciilifeform: nanotube: everyone gets to re-send their collected ratings with signature ?
asciilifeform: nanotube: incidentally, what is to become of the present wot when a hypothetical 'everything is signed' wot is built ?
asciilifeform: isomorphic to mitm.
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform: if i understand correctly, nanotube's explanation resolves to this being an anti-mitm mechanism
asciilifeform: (or, if you prefer, golden age, 'garden of eden')
asciilifeform: from a pre-cryptographic dark age
asciilifeform: ultimately the very need for 'cloaks' is a bizarre misfeature
asciilifeform: where the hooliganism can continue
asciilifeform: the channels-shared-by-gribble thing also means that ddos idler bot, if expelled from #b-a, can move to one of the other channels.
asciilifeform: there was also a mass compromise of freenode boxes in sept. and who knows when else, and on what scale.
asciilifeform: (the error-inducers)