asciilifeform: (e.g., i may know that it is a machine at ip p.q.r.s with rsa pubkey K)
asciilifeform: a destination you may or may not know something about out-of-band
asciilifeform: thereby obscuring the existence of the conversation, within certain limits.
asciilifeform: well, 'platonic tor' is simply that a large number of people agree to 'play non-broken telephone' between me and a destination.
asciilifeform: speaking of the 'platonic' tor, rather than the cthonian horror of the actual proggy
asciilifeform: (combination of 'tor'-like apparatus with 'wot', in particular)
asciilifeform: just seems like an attempt to build a stove-refrigerator hybrid. yes, can be done, yes, in some sense these are complementary machines. but - challenge.
asciilifeform: rather than lukewarm step in that direction, no?
asciilifeform: but if we actually want to go in that direction, the logical result is a gadget like 'tor', with bounces, mixes, etc.
asciilifeform: hitler does know considerably more under the all-signed scenario than alternative.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tidbit that escapes me is how you came upon the idea that default-signed would empower, rather than lower into pederasty, the 'anonymous derp'
asciilifeform: please briefly describe 'rank of connect'
asciilifeform: laborious external signature, as at present time ?
asciilifeform: and what is the intended mechanism for propagating a message which -does- make this claim ?
asciilifeform: it signs the session whereby they are given right to travel the net
asciilifeform: in the scheme as presently described, your client is also signing (for the record of the hypothetical nsa goon, among others) a fairly arbitrary set of messages.
asciilifeform: nope. i fully understand that the latter is neither possible nor desirable
asciilifeform: i'd say 'generic bum' and 'mircea stripped of his clothing and cast adrift in shanghai' are different scenario, no ?
asciilifeform: i'm concerned only in the particular corner case that he is actually my friend, who has been reduced to that condition by malefactors, but still remains in possession of his key.
asciilifeform: how does a bomzh, stinking in the street, who happens to have generated a pgp key, 'matter' ?
asciilifeform: this inference is perplexing. i don't see how it follows.
asciilifeform: until the magic dawn when the last idiot is strangled with the guts of the last scammer, there will be ones who believe the crap.
asciilifeform: it is when they lead me to the electric chair
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not like the notion of nsa goon having a non-deniable tape of anything he catches. (i don't much, either...) asciilifeform does not like that it is generally customary to speak unsigned, and thereby nsa goon can put words into his mouth, and a certain number of people will believe them
asciilifeform sees the genuine dilemma here. but sees it as a dilemma, not an open-and-shut case in favour of soft-anonymity
asciilifeform: i won't argue that a working 'tor' would not have its uses, but it is a very different animal from an 'adult' rebirth of internet circa 1989
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at present time, an 'unknown' can generate a pgp key and carry on 'continuity' with it over whatever channel. we can't exactly prevent it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by what mechanism do 'unknowns' transmogrify into 'knowns' in your cosmography ?
asciilifeform: one can have 'anonymity' or 'deniability' or whatnot, as commonly imagined, at the same time as signed-everything
asciilifeform: incidentally, in no holy book is it written that a pubkey is readily pinnable on a particular creature walking this earth
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it merely my puny brain, but i still don't grasp the 'signed-default is bad because preet can steal a key.' if preet gets a hold of my key, he may as well have put a bullet through my hide, stuffed the corpse, and proceeded to live on as it
asciilifeform: there is the added difficulty of everyone and anyone in usg-dom being 'a paedo' retroactively on the mere request of a preet.
asciilifeform: (it being, they get 'annointed' by handlers specifically for being thus malleable)☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: earlier link concerned my working hypothesis as to why.
asciilifeform laboured under an impression that 'actual paedo' is a rather uncommon thing, and hence their over-representation in sc4mz0rd0m is something in need of a logical explanation
asciilifeform: but parsimonious hypothesis, imho, is that he was a chained, leashed paedo.
asciilifeform: not even necessary that he not be 'legit paedo'
