asciilifeform: gave up << it seems to still be there ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah, simply suggesting that one could allow folks to speak on a cell by blocktelegraphing in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as described in my article by the same name
asciilifeform: "pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back << perfectly happy to run a blockchain telegraph gateway.
asciilifeform: ('graph' of the microshit office, 'comparison of efficiencies', vs graph theoretic kind)
asciilifeform: great heuristic for what not to bother flipping through, but very frustrating re: how much space these take up on the shelves.
asciilifeform: i make regular trips to my university maths/physical sciences library. there is a substantial comp-sci/discretes section there. i pull out, seriously, a book, one in three, random page - a graph. for almost precisely this, the comparison between the warm and the soft.
asciilifeform: at least the computing turdmeisters don't (yet) prove systemd superiority by photograph << actually.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'brain activation' folks are simply a somewhat more 'photogenic' version of the rest of usg academia, where virtually every physical science 'result', almost without exception, concerns some spurious correlation of this and that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. does not work on tcp.
asciilifeform: the receiver is, to anyone lacking a peerage key, just a black hole.
asciilifeform: decimation: if you use udp, like i proposed, you can even have the mindfuck of a 'bar-bell shaped' cell - a 'multihomed' machine receives on one ip and transmits on another
asciilifeform: decimation: of some cells. no info on who they belong to (what keys), who the peers are, etc
asciilifeform: decimation: or did you simply mean the proverbial future of the gasenwagen, where the mere act of transmitting cryptostrange is a gassing offense
asciilifeform: decimation: you can't decrypt a single packet until a cell peers you
asciilifeform: but this is a subject covered in painstaking detail in many other places.
asciilifeform: in many cases these folks are literally 'employed' to create chaos - as in, they get a pension, in return for... doing just that
asciilifeform: their purpose is to terrorize the native population, for a variety of useful purposes (bolster seekoority state; keep real estate prices in less-afflicted zones high; etc)
asciilifeform: very simple formula: the 'barbarians' are in fact employees of the swedish (french, british, american - each case) government, aka usg, in good standing.
asciilifeform: if one carries on with such, may find himself on a rather smaller and lonelier gossipnet
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha but you cannot really have this, unless you - in particular - or one of your peers - wants to create a public toilet for spam and give it peerage
asciilifeform: (i forget if this was mircea_popescu's terminology in the original article, or not)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do you propose to use the hypothetical gizmo without running a cell ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: trick is that two directly-connected cells may as well be exchanging signed msgs. but relayed msgs (in, e.g., cells a -> b -> c, from a to c) are 'gossip' - that is, 'deniable.'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i did, later, grasp mircea_popescu's deniable-transmission algo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc, a good bit of that stuff -was- preserved in writing - of a kind. e.g., 'broadside ballads'
asciilifeform: 'work is the curse of the drinking class' !
asciilifeform: and the basic notion of working folks to death in a mine - is ancient.
asciilifeform: what ideas. spain was there long first.
asciilifeform: perhaps we should refer to this as 'belgian' method
asciilifeform: that is, there is a fence to keep folks from leaving; they are left to fend for selves for food and water within the confines; and if the weekly quota of $metal is not brought to the gates in timely manner, there are public educaxecutions
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm expecting to end up in an inca-style, rather than soviet-style, camp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this kind of thing worked in 'tribal' structure, where most folks are reasonably 'close to the soil' and grow/kill the necessities of life personally. i suppose it also works in a concentration camp - though, iirc, these also typically have a kind of scrip and so aren't entirely free of currency.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Currency generally is in the hands of a selected few, this situation where every man woman and child holds some is an exception, and I suspect coming to an end.' << i recall being shown, as a boy, an 1890s ru coin that 'would feed a family for a month!111!!'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: In is not the only scarce mineral.
asciilifeform: it's an elementary 'who at this table starves last' situation
asciilifeform: for pNohes - down. for bolometers used in heat-seeking rocket - up.
asciilifeform: quite a few increasingly scarce strategic minerals, all across mendeleev table.
asciilifeform: butugychag rennaissance is inevitable anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'The notion that gold supply does not increase a lot is predicated on obsolete technology. Gold supply would increase quite a lot, and in really harmful ways involving cyanide, if it seriously became monetized.' << iirc, cyanidation was SOP since 1890s.
asciilifeform: just like you can't spend subway tokens outside of the subway.
asciilifeform: really the definition, if there is one, of 'scrip.'
asciilifeform: at some point, usd will no longer be a 'convertible' unit. completing its transition to equivalent of the soviet ruble.
asciilifeform: admittedly, a peculiar kind of scrip, for which one can get certain things overseas (for the time being)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Let them have scrip, will be good enough for them...' << usd is not already scrip ?
