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mircea_popescu: but in point of fact, whether mp alone is repsonsible for half us live births
this year, like it works in africa / oceania ; or not -- live births
there will be.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow
THIS particular public good is never
too problematic
mircea_popescu: take fucking.
the women are pregnant for all, irrespective how many fuck
them.
mircea_popescu: which brings
the problem back home : most of
the problems you discuss have a huge language externality.
mircea_popescu: in
the absence of a forum, it's
the only workable way.
mircea_popescu would pay
to see in practice
the equivalent of salic electoral law, considering how lulzily salic inheritance worked irl. enough of
this angevin bs. you vote in electiosn,
then each side gets half
the country. and so going each 4 years.
mircea_popescu: (i beg forgiveness if i just snap yoru words
to classical discourse on
the
topic, it's for
the greater good)
mircea_popescu: yes, but what does it mean "it's not practical
to withhold" ?
mircea_popescu: which is somewhat counterintuitive. so i was examining if you're going
to stick with
the definition or redefine in face of it.
mircea_popescu: yes, except
the rabid weasel does not seem
to WANT
this public good.
mircea_popescu: i was
thinking more in
the lines of, shooting obama. puts him out of his misery of pretending like he's a person.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was just observing shooting is a public good by your definition. not practical
to keep it from freeloaders, still has a cost.
mircea_popescu looks at kresty prison overhead pic, notices
that building set on its right is painted in international color of courthouse. mmkay.
mircea_popescu: no, in
the sense it's impractical
to not shoot
them, but still
the bullet is produced.
mircea_popescu: ok so
then. stop using strings for concepts. what do you mean by "public good" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform used
to be written on medicine bottles. back before medicine became rationalized.
mircea_popescu: this is also how banking works, "you can have all
the money you don't need you could wish -- but don't ask for money when you need it!"
mircea_popescu: (qs i will remind stands for quantum sufficit, or else satiem. satiem is
the word
that gave sated.
the presumption here, etymologically-amusing as it is, is
that something can be qs only if
there's no "black hole" of appetite. mmkay.)
mircea_popescu: yes. nothing can be qs, not in
this world, which is why your definition of "public good" is not a definition.
mircea_popescu: this is a fiction, which may be convenient for personal reasons. but nothing is like
this. note above : we have an infinity of chatlines, literally, avaailable each day. nevertheless,
the bot is vaguely constrained.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'available ad libitum
to
those within
the walls' <<
this means
there's an infinite supply.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when i had you define "public good" you said "endlessly abundant item".
this is nonsense, nothing is endlessly abundant.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear
to me
that any engineering issues are in fact involved. all i see are purely psychogenic issues improperly welded
to
the foregoing. you don't need nor can have any meaningful implementation of "public servicves", not ever. getting oneself
to believe
the contrary is a strange exercise in contorsionism
mircea_popescu: how's
this relate
to imperial vs republican big city ?
mircea_popescu: i showed up for ~40% of classes. which was about
the most either me or
the system could carry.
mircea_popescu: you laugh ben_vulpes , but consider
that a 15yo mp, much more imperious, much less sexually and otherwise pacified, had
to go
to school. PUBLIC school.
ben_vulpes: you only need a phf
to
teach noobs if
the noob is you
mircea_popescu: phf if you feel like it, you can do a weekly lisp class by appointment, look in
the log when
there's usually holes and intersect with your schedule and
there you go.
ben_vulpes: the fun parts were fun, i learned rather a lot, i have a deeper hate of irc
than i did a week ago...
phf: !(loop for i from 1
to 1000 collect i)
phf: asciilifeform: just look at
the chainstate log.
that's how it was. but on one hand it became impractical
to prefix every
time. and
the other reason is
that c*ndi_lustt is not a repl bot by original design. "BRAIN" function supposed
to
take arbitrary
text, and process it. in order
to actually get
to repl you have
to use "c*ndi_lustt eat <url>"
mircea_popescu: both wanting a clean channel and wanting a repl bot are legitimate wants, neither necessarily has
to yield
to
the other, we see how it goeth.
phf: asciilifeform:
there are
two incompatible eating methods, "eat" function and
the ^( mode. i added
the latter for my own convenience, because number of
times i want
to
type a sexp is way higher
than a literate string
that opens with paren. obviously doesn't scale
to a channel full of people, who have much less need for a repl bot
ben_vulpes: if we wanted
to be cute it could be ,(
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
the idea is for
this
to be a
toy-level learn-lisp item ; can't add a "AND IF YOU DO ARCANE
THING YOU DIE" coda.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes iffy,
too promisetronic will cause a bunch of hurt fingers.
ben_vulpes: can't
the lords be
trusted
to shut her up when
they're done playing?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't want her
to do anything specifically, but she also can't answer
to a single-open-parens control sequence
ben_vulpes: if you want a default
that'll persist over reboots so she does at least something, i can jam
that in
there
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it needs
to be fed your brain
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can it only retort if its name is on
the line ? otherwise
this will become problematic
BingoBoingo: if still
tacky you can cover foamskin with powder
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just wait. your skin exfoliates naturally,
they will come off.
BingoBoingo: Well pretty much limited
to mechanical removal nao
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: could set
the footnote
to arbitrary anything, but meh. and i see no good way out of
the comment
thing, because it ~is~ stuck parsing
the comment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform comments don't allow < semantically because it's
the start of a html
tag ; articles have problems parsing (( and )) because it's footnote convention
mircea_popescu: fixed footnote. lisp dun mix well with
the footnote system
ben_vulpes: anyone with eval permissions could register
the nick, so may as well do it yourself.