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mircea_popescu: well imagine
those schmucks, born in 1910, starved duyring puberty, while orphaned by influenza,
then spent
their adult years at war, by
the
time
they were 40
they had a cot of
their own and enough fleas
to satisfy
their dog best friend, because woman was old and ugly already when
they met.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
tried
to
try out rust. he gets no bots, has
to make his own irc server,
there's no phf etc.
mircea_popescu: so : if you're EVER GOING
TO BE an adult,
the idiocy outside doesn't matter. and if
the idiocy outside matters, you weren't ever going
to be an adult anyway. entirely disjunct sets
mircea_popescu: and i'm not about
to stand for any "it doesn't counts because".
mircea_popescu: but at
the risk of repeating myself, here it is again : esr, fabled luminary of
the "blabla programming style" failed
to get his
thing done in a week. mp, fabled
terrorist, managed
to get his
thing done in a week.
mircea_popescu: beyond "i disagree with what mp just said because my
tooth hurts and i agree with him"
mircea_popescu: so
then it is entirely unclear what your position is after all.
mircea_popescu: autofucking of girlies "from grindr" is a)
trap and b) herpes.
trinque: aha, and
though doomed
to accrete fewer hairy workarounds, doomed still.
trinque: certainly in
the case of both portage and bsd ports, "I got my patch past one community organizer idiot" is no standard of merit
trinque: and
then one could rather
trivially modify
the
thing
to blacklist flavors
trinque: the
thing lacking is people using
the exact same "flavor" names (flavors being analogous
to use flags)
trinque: point being it may not be unreasonable system
tuning work
to modify
the build process of packages; what openbsd has is quite close
to having portage feature parity
trinque knows asciilifeform would like
to nuke it all
trinque: so, socialist bureau of portage community is supposed
to be
there always?
trinque: it does lack
the "dbus is haram" across packages, which is certainly an omission.
trinque: it didn't
take me longer
than 5min
to copy
the openbsd emacs makefile and remove everything I didn't want
mircea_popescu: so it's a bit of a pointless victory of
the imaginary kind.
mircea_popescu: so
the point is essentially moot. yes, if anyone gave a shit "they'd form
their whole worldview
through watching cnn".
the problem is
that
the people watching cnn aren't goingto ever form a worldview anyway, and
the people who will ever have formed a worldview don't watch it.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing
that'll
turn
taaki into a human being.
mircea_popescu: point is - either you're an adult or you aren't. if you're an adult you don't find out where your asshole goes from googling assholes. if you're not an adult
there is no hope for you anyway, no matter what.
mircea_popescu: what
the fuck is
there i may not know about and wish
to have ? list ?
mircea_popescu: wtf would i install ? "oh i wonder what
these new
things called ides are, how about i install one and
try it out"
whaack: i asked for one a long
time ago but i never got
the game working and didn't save
the dpaste message unfortunately
mircea_popescu: there's no future for english speaking children. we knew
this already.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why
tge fuck would i DOWNLOAD it! wtf am i, new ?
this is like going "go google something and see if you can find something besides wikipedia". dude... srsly, i'm googling
things now ? let me
try
this, oh, let's google "mathematics" see what happens, I NEVER
THOUGHT OF
THIS BEFORE
trinque: started reading
the python source for portage, barfed.
trinque: but have a hard
time justifying
the effort
to myself any more
than other half-measures.
trinque: aha, upstream
tightens
the web of interdependencies by
the day
trinque: nah, anyone wanting
that level of control, straight
to gentoo
trinque: but
there are only a few gems out
there left
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 01:28 mircea_popescu: aqnyway,
the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with
the subverted python, got
them nowhere. close
to five years pushing rust, nothing
to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and
the hatred is growing exponentially while
the pustule is growing logarithmic at
that. meanwhile
the republic cracked open
the heartbleed in quite
the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not
t mod6: The good news is, it sounds like we're all aligned on
this.
mircea_popescu: all
the bad hbo productions cranking up
to 11 a
theoretical future in which everything is "mobile" and "intelligent" by default ain't gonna make
the fad not be a fad.
mircea_popescu: yeah, really. mozilla hanging on
to dear life, mostly
through its actual workspace having been cannibalized by google at great expense, because holy shit people are going
to give up "web" altogether and nobody cares about
the
tablets in
the long run.
mircea_popescu: situation is fucking dire and
the winter is coming, in
the sense of it being late november,
there's frosts at night.
mircea_popescu: o mention ancient strongholds of usgism such as kock-gpg,
tor or (again) openssl are being butchered left and right.
the attempted anti-bitcoins failed
to catch on.
mircea_popescu: aqnyway,
the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with
the subverted python, got
them nowhere. close
to five years pushing rust, nothing
to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and
the hatred is growing exponentially while
the pustule is growing logarithmic at
that. meanwhile
the republic cracked open
the heartbleed in quite
the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not
t ☟︎ mod6: <+mircea_popescu> a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present <<
this.
mod6: I'll work on getting axiom into place in
the code, will update further if I hit another issue or need further discussion/direction:
mircea_popescu: hey, it's not for me either, so
the sentiment is mutual.
mod6: mircea_popescu:
thanks for
talking me
through it
though. Even
though for some out
there,
this might be painfully obvious stuff, but it's not, at least for me. So it's worth going over in detail.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha steve klabnik. roflmao where
the fuck do
they dredge up all
the amir
taakis
mircea_popescu: ok so you pruned
the
theoretical
tree for only
things
that
touch same file. ok, makes sense in my head now
mod6: i don't know how
the mechanical hash matching would work otherwise.
mircea_popescu: well yes but
this isn't necessarily a criterion is it ?
mod6: so
those four, are vpatches
that
touch
the same files
that "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch"
touches.
mircea_popescu: and i
thought win-32 is actually a codependency for ver_now_5_4 alongside
thermonyukyoolar.
mircea_popescu: either it depends on
the whole
tree up
to it, ie genesis, asciilifeform.1, rm_rf, asciilifeform.2, asciilifeform.4, dnsseed_snip, zap_hardcoded
mod6: Once I have
that part correct, will update and continue wrapping up
the automated
tests.
Then further
testing will begin, etc.
mod6: Anyway, wanted
to spend a few minutes elaborating on my latest battles; I'm making progress, but still need some
time
to get it straightend out.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, me reads " Eric, a year ago I came
to similar conclusions. Watching
the chaos on
the mailing lists and IRC channel,", proceeds
to join #rust, is shocked by
the sound of utter silence. maybe
the guy meant join/part spam, who knows. nice going anyway.
mod6: this makes sense in
theory, and mechanically because otherwise, unable
to press.
mod6: so I propose
that I need
to ensure of its removal by reverse checking every decendants antecedents.
mod6: and removal of one doesn't, in my current implementation, ensure it's removal, as
there are
three other antecedents for
this.
mod6: so
technically, yeah, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" has four antecedents.
mircea_popescu: if
that's removed from
the flow, how could it still press
mod6: (and anything else
that depends on init.cpp downstream from
that as well)
mod6: ah, since
there are more
than one graph edge, it must be clobbered as well, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch", I mean.
mircea_popescu: and if
that's not pressed (as you removed its seal),
then
this shouldn't either.
mircea_popescu: theoretically
the patch you indicate only depends on zap_showmyip
mod6: So I'm
thinking
that I need
to add an additional check
to ensure
that every vpatch has a corresponding, existing, antecedent in
the current flow.
mod6: So my code finds all
the decendants,
then
topographically sorts
them.
Then press based on
the flow.
mod6: And for
that one edge, it does make sense, but since
that vpatch changes more
than one file,
this causes a problem when
the files being changed do not aligh.
mod6: There is an edge betwee"bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch" and "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" which causes my V
to
think
that "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" still belongs in
the flow.
mod6: Since
this is a multi-edge edge case (for lack of a better way
to put it),
this happens.
mod6: His graph doesn't show all of
the edges, and as
this correctly highlights, I believe
to be less
than perfect.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: on
trying
to check out phf 's nice graph i discover btcbase.org/patches redirects,
to btcbase.org/patches/nil
☟︎ mod6: So basically what I'm seeing is
that, once I discover my proper decendants, I also need
to reverse check
the graph for ~existing~ antecedents
to ensure
that a proper press can happen.
mod6: Even
though
the flow is correct, it depends on changes
that are no longer
there for files such as init.cpp...
☟︎