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usg_press_machin: I mean, it's not a reified critter, definitely. But it qua legal fiction certainly exists - it's an abstraction.
mircea_popescu: not like it's exactly a mystery what definitions i use :D
usg_press_machin: Thanks Mircea. I think crypto has a place to carve out individual privacy, but I don't think it necessarily follows that the only option is to view the relationship in terms of conflict. Reading now
mircea_popescu: to me it sounds kinda like "a movie can't be good if it doesn't have car chases and those anti-physical sparks bullets make in hollywood"
usg_press_machin: I'd disagree - that'd be protest. Rebellion implies something a bit more organised, serious, and threatening.
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as someone';s breaking the law and not paying taxes, yes. that'd be the definition of a rebellion.
usg_press_machin: Is there a rebellion?
mircea_popescu: and as to "never ever" : pre nurenberg, this trying of a foreign power's officers and ministers had also never ever happened.
usg_press_machin: It's a question of legal convention. Paying legal taxes to a legally installed government has never, ever been considered a war crime. I'll take my chances
mircea_popescu: there's no rule of nature that says the us can never be so identified. for those people who do make that identification, you're a criminal.
kakobrekla: there are ways to execute js w/o a browser but that is kinda silly.
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin but anyway, a secondary point to your " obeying the law and paying taxes?" is that if you happen to be obeying the "laws" of a terrorist organisation and giving it money, you may end up in hot water with a lot of people.
mircea_popescu: "A proper approach to key management. This could be anything from centralized key management as in Apple's iMessage -- which would still be better than nothing -- to a decentralized (but still usable) approach like the one offered by Signal or OTR. Whatever the solution, in order to achieve mass deployment, keys need to be made much more manageable or else submerged from the user altogether."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tell me about it i had a dev send me an ssh key in a fancy attachment the other day
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And they completely forget that if you NEED end to end encryption... A key exchange is happening privately nomatter what yahoo or Gmaul's shit insists on
BingoBoingo: And a follow up talking around problems https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/certificate-transparency-for-pgp/
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and here's one for you : http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html jeez im on a roll today.
mircea_popescu: myeah. it's not a collective dream.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c here's a good one for you : http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/08/venture-capitalists-get-paid-well-to-lose-money/ (Yet 2013 annual industry performance data from Cambridge Associates shows that venture capital continues to underperform the S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell 2000.)
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, some people can't. which is fine. but don't go around claiming impotence as a virtue.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a normal function of the adult mind, like writing, or like fucking. you're not into these for anything other than you know, being an adult, being alive, doing the things that there are.
mircea_popescu: bycicling isn;t a functon of people who can't ride bikes either. do you want more people to ride bykes ?
usg_press_machin: Thanks mircea. Re WoT was just joshing around. Re: brain wallets etc., the point is that Bitcoin is as much a product of its users as it is the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: <usg_press_machin> But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points. << how do you figure this has anything to do with ecdsa ?
usg_press_machin: But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points.
usg_press_machin: I recommend you take a look - then re-read the blogposts.
ben_vulpes: i recommend a better handle tho, lest you get stuck with that one.
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: surely if you're derping about bitcoin you've access to a privkey.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: tax-farming :: in Maryland there is such a thing as 'ground rent' - 'landlord' can sell land from under your house if you don't pay
ben_vulpes: do you have a gpg key? a bitcoin address?
usg_press_machin: I've been following the logs for a couple of months and figured it was a good opportunity to pop in.
usg_press_machin: I saw a number of hits from argentina; my heart sank
assbot: I guess that makes me a Tory | Preston Byrne
mircea_popescu: that's a paycheck.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the guy's "business partner" drones all about how "you gotta live in real anarchy". because totally nobody ever did it outside of his dumb american ass, being leeched by some somalis for a few years.
mircea_popescu: ECDSA is imperfect. The hunt for the perfect mining algo is ongoing; Bitcoin’s in particular has proven to be a tremendous waste of electricity, the process little more than an environmentally harmful race to the bottom. The protocol supports a mere 7 transactions per second. Protocol development has been difficult to implement on account of the centralisation of mining power and community inertia. "
assbot: I guess that makes me a Tory | Preston Byrne
mircea_popescu: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/14/tory-2/ << read that to get a pretty much exact blow by blow of the hostile aggenda.
mircea_popescu: it's not just preston byrne or this or that derp. it's about a hundred of them by now, and as the old saying goes : the problem with this world is that while smart people are hesitant, government shills are full of words.
mircea_popescu: https://blog.caseykuhlman.com/entries/2014/bitcoin-somaliland.html << and the usg press machine is making serious efforts at creating a bunch of interlinked blogs to cover the discussion in astroturf.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the traditional "taxi mafia" is prevalent all over the world. that technology may force the government to release its extractive grip of said mafia tho... this is dubious. works for as long as people have the upper tech side, but this pendulum swings.
mircea_popescu: anyway, small, worthless transactions like say a cab ride aren't too adequate for this sort of application because people can't be arsed to bother.
justusranvier: that they are *not* about to do business with a cop
justusranvier: So by the time this all happens we should have tools ready that are specifically designed to allow people to conduct in-person commerce with some assurance they are about to do business with a cop
justusranvier: I do think that invitation-only networks have a role in the future, and creating incentives for proper vetting will be important, however those are accomplshed.
justusranvier: I gave an example implementation, but it's purpose is mostly a thought exercise.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense "stop being stupid and use the b-a model" is about a billion times more effectual than "here's how you could do it theoretically"
mircea_popescu: the reasons it's not well implemented are in no sense scientifical, but purely political, and so the solution isn't going to come from writing it up, but from a willingness to work with others already doing it.
mircea_popescu: well that's what it is, this reads to me like someone joined b-a and went "you know what ? ima make an altcoin!!1"
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: It's an idea for a tool designed more for in-person, non currency trades
ben_vulpes: is there a book?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla maybe time to move that to a pastebin ?
mircea_popescu: justusranvier so what is this, basically an awkward rework of the b-a voice model without acknowledging the source and practical use thereof ?
mircea_popescu: and yes, it was served on a little stovelet at the table, with embers.
BigBitz: With your 100BTC I will document a trip to Vegas where I bet the whole amount on one roulette spin.
ben_vulpes: looks like the character's doing a slow transform from vexual to muXne
mike_c: and i finally saw an ad. i guess i'm just a cheapskate. close my customer support ticket.
mircea_popescu: (and also, you could hexedit the map. i made a 6 ore deposit - 4 sugarcane - 4 tobascco - 6 wheat island once0
mircea_popescu: well in this sene, what's a gallon of screwdrivers cost ?
asciilifeform: what's a silenced .22 round cost? a penny?
mircea_popescu: actually the latest (secret!!1) data shows about half of all us secret service empoyees across the whole shebang (yes, including the soopar-sikrit outfits, heh), just a shade above half are actually legally working
mircea_popescu: a third or so.
mircea_popescu: "There had been no classes at Simon Business School on how to apprehend crooks who appropriated your assets." <<< what a shitty school.
asciilifeform: (what's a tax farmer? read about why antoine lavoisier, better known as a great chemist, lost his head.)
punkman: "This was not a problem Siegel was used to handling. There had been no classes at Simon Business School on how to apprehend crooks who appropriated your assets. "
gribble: Error: 'number' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: so remember folks! whenever you ask here about a trilema post instead of asking in that post's comment section, you are helping communism.
mircea_popescu: of course they also made financial speculation liable in excess of sanity, which didn't work out for them on a macro scale, but the point remains : there's no good reason to exploit the concept of limited liability as a sort of exclusive monogamous relationship with the company.
mircea_popescu: a fine example of how problematic this is : financial services, because they are companies, are also unliable. meanwhile, medical services, which aren't companies, are liable. the result ? rampant financial speculation exploiting the public resources of local authorities, and unaffordable healthcare.
wywialm: this probably serves as a partial answer to my question to MP
wywialm: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re:La Serenissima and personal sovereignty. What about limited liability as a concept? To the dustbin, may stay as it is (how?), or only in the form of limited partnership with at least one partner assuming unlimited liability?
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 9 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> trixisowned typical name for a slavegirl, to indicate that well... she's owned.
chetty: <ben_vulpes> (although i did get this out of it: http://idlewords.com/2006/04/argentina_on_two_steaks_a_day.htm)// pretty good article on argentine eating habits
ben_vulpes: (although i did get this out of it: http://idlewords.com/2006/04/argentina_on_two_steaks_a_day.htm)
ben_vulpes: "Companies like Facebook want get as much of that money as possible, which means chasing users and reach.", "This personalization means that two readers of The New York Times may seen a very different picture of the world" << dear atlantic. not paying for competent proofreading is why your ad rates suck.
ben_vulpes: "Getting an email address was once a nerdy right of passage for Gen-Xers arriving on college campuses." << *sigh*
Mexual: shit a brick, thats exactly how frogger is played
Mexual: i just saw a nubbins poster and ill ner drink tequila again
BigBitz: seems a lot less than $10K - which is good.
danielpbarron: at the time he was still looking for a backup or something
chetty: <danielpbarron> heh, usagi contacted me on twitter because apparently he is a "christian" and wants to go at it from that "angle"//being christian is an angle?
danielpbarron: heh, usagi contacted me on twitter because apparently he is a "christian" and wants to go at it from that "angle"
Mexual: showed me a jar
Mexual: a man from afar
Mexual: got lost atop a lever
Mexual: ever had a hat stolen ben?
Mexual: that was a good hat
Mexual: im a one man union
cazalla: i stopped for like a month but this fkn kid and the crying
cazalla: 1-2 times a week atm
Mexual: you get drunk once a motnh
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Mexual: i dont have a watch
Mexual: just a red eyed bunny
Mexual: fuck i thoihjt that was gonna be me licKung a hammrt
Mexual: a birf tells me its a good move
cazalla: bit the leg off a bunny