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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0DDFB674DD5A90D5E967091802EA3709CEE1471665E68605B4F060B889AF7905 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1406...1063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.107.61.192 (ssh-rsa key from 192.107.61.192 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (winter.bologna.enea.it. IT)
mircea_popescu: is butthurt.org taken ? could make a decent gallery
trinque: dat clinton sneer. I hope there are many butthurt shots today.
mircea_popescu: has to be said.
mircea_popescu: actually he may find that the district of niggers makes a point of pride out of their ignorance & lazyness, and equate these with democracy and their dismantling with you know, racism, rape, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: in the lol of the day, "Trump, who's accustomed to completing projects "on time and under budget," will try to bring an unfamiliar business discipline to the nation's capital. He may find that Washington is not as nimble or responsive to orders from the chief executive as his family-run business" (npr)
mircea_popescu: or nobody is supposed to have face recognition software outside teh alphabet ?
asciilifeform: 'blacklivesmatter shuts down entrance to inauguration'
asciilifeform: pretty strange, the official camera blurred out the nametags of the guards
asciilifeform: herr tritler in 3, 2, 1...
davout: trinque: not on my box, on the servers i rent
mircea_popescu: yeah seek times are ak iller.
trinque: davout: that SSD would probably arrive by rowboat faster than you'll sync on platters
mod6: i'm making some good progress on my V changes this week. hopefully won't be too long be for I can help you out with any wallet related things you might be doing on trb.
davout: kinda tempted to get a proper SSD to give it a decent home
davout: pretty good! my trb node is synced around october 2015
mircea_popescu: (the official line btw is that "the polls weren't off by much, because clinton got 2% of popular vote vs 4-5% predicted". supposedly incredible ineptitude on an unseen-before scale is to be pivoted into "we're still right, smart and the icons of humanity ; the electoral system is rigged" and this'll somehow fly because the democrat voting bloc doesn't form memories for longer than half a week and nobody else properly speaking
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "i've been an activist all my life" womenz of unchristian first names movement (WUFNM) flailings are getting pretty unreadable.
mircea_popescu: i bet soros thinks it's a good day if he manages to shit on his own power, today.
asciilifeform: i bet soros is smoking 4 cigars , through converter, on a mig right nao.
asciilifeform: and it happens on just about any occasion with mass pedestrian traffic on road
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: normally they use buses
mircea_popescu: in other postapocalyptica, this is how the "civilised world" looks nowadays : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ngov8WgAA6ctd.jpg
mircea_popescu: because somehow the astroturf "democratic" groundswell failed to materialize. but it's all ok.
mircea_popescu: and on the other side of idiot isle, theguardian (NOT A FAKE NEWS! NOT A FOREIGN INFLUENCE AGENT!) is doing about 50% of the official coverage ; quotes soros (NOT A US-CONVICTED FUGITIVE!) and harps about how in 2015 trump might have hired actors to clap.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, 208.178.195.210 (global-crossing-argentina-s-a.xe-0-1-0.ar3.eze1.gblx.net) is currently losing about half my traffic
a111: Logged on 2017-01-20 00:37 phf: which brings me to my question, what's a good book on inorganic chemistry (or general chemistry)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-20#1605500 << i've heard good things about zumdahl, but haven't vetted myself ☝︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3D22F1B6991EB15F3CDDF2D457D8FB89BA28F41F4BAFA6FB7781152B2ABB93C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1782...7483 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '124.81.228.132 (ssh-rsa key from 124.81.228.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ID JT)
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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B1C6252D24CDADAC9976AEF2FEFC9490EEB278F7AD893D5B6BE9B5AED372D53C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1671...2177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.127.163.115 (ssh-rsa key from 75.127.163.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ool-4b7fa373.static.optonline.net. US NY)
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asciilifeform: re earlier thread, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/urscheme/ << somewhat interesting
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mod6: but I'm so glad I wrote these.
mod6: these automated tests could use some serious cleanup and refactoring -- they work fine, just not very pretty, etc.
mircea_popescu: phf the problem with the bolt-ons being that why are you bolting on, use the language of the boltons instead.
mod6: yeah, i saw some of that. neat stuff.
mircea_popescu: mod6 there';s a bot you can fuck around with if you wanna try it out.
asciilifeform: so, if it's an x86 box, this means that no opcode executes on it, from cradle to grave, that didn't come out of (hypothetical) compiler with mandatory bounds/type checks.
phf: mod6: i did a poc while experimenting with http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank, but i only gotten as far as addition and multiplication. i think taking a stab at writing a canonical bignum-in-scheme is a good idea
asciilifeform: phf: you could, but it would be terrible
mod6: would that alone be worth experimenting with, just to see how expensive it really would be?
phf: if you take any of the canonical bignum-in-lisp implementations and port them to tinyscheme, multiplication of one 5 digit number by another 5 digit number takes ~seconds~. optimization is left as an exercise. i suspect some of the routines can be implemented as opcodes.. you could also take that numeric thing asciilifeform extracted out of gnupg and bolt it to tinyscheme as a PoC
mod6: i did see that. and yah, that sucks. for lack of a better way to put it.
asciilifeform: mod6: theoretically. but, as phf observed earlier in this thread, certain entirely necessary things are impractical to retrofit to it (e.g., bignum)
mod6: would it be a worthy project for someone to start to write some essential libs for tinyscheme?
phf: scheme48 comes closets to sane lisp imo, it was written on a lisp machine, and comes with a lot of very sane batteries (the library is clearly inspired by cl)
asciilifeform: without megatonne of 'libraries' that make the overall mass of the system quickly approach and exceed that of cl
asciilifeform: mod6: scheme is neat on paper (~50 pg. exhaustive spec! at least before the poetterings got to it in rev. 6) but you will find that it is ~impossible to program in the language that appears in that document
asciilifeform: (nor does the old far necessarily deserve anything else)
asciilifeform: defective in all kinds of ways but it isn't as if another is to be had.
asciilifeform: mod6: i have nfi what 'general feeling' would mean, there is no homogeneous writhing mass here
mod6: (i ask all of the questions because im simply curious, and it seems to be such a broad range of different dialects, if that's even a way to put it)
mod6: what is the general feeling of 'common lisp' within the republic?
phf: then you have a version of LISP for project mac called MACLISP, also capitalized. but it shares so much with LISP that you can call it LISP too
asciilifeform: mod6: it was from early literature, and from dark ages machines with no shift key. and so folx who learn of the existence of lisp from encyclopaedia in school, tend to LISP
phf: well, i think, if you're trying to communicate clearly, LISP means thing that mccarthy wrote, and then spinoffs of that, LISP 1.5, 1.6
mod6: what's the meaning there, is LISP the "proper" lisp for an actual lisp machine?
asciilifeform: (which, to nitpick, has selectable scope. but defaults to static)
asciilifeform: phf: to be fair, the main (other than lisp1-ness) semantic diff b/w scheme and lisp1.5 was static scope. which made its way into cl.
mod6: capitalized in the sense that most lispers live in the park in san fransisco?
asciilifeform: ftr phf is the one and only serious lisp d00d i ever ran across who capitalized.
phf: this is not really the case with scheme, T, clojure, etc.
phf: there's a lineage of lisp, which is significantly mutually compatible. LISP, maclisp, interlisp, zetalisp. common lisp is a standardization attempt on top of those. for example if you take eliza code (written for LISP 1.5) you can make it run on common lisp without any transformations (need to provide some missing forms though)
mod6: <+phf> no in scheme land you have mit scheme and scheme48 << with these, which one is more preferred? or why choose one over the other?
asciilifeform: (there are many different lisps, starting from the 1958 one)
asciilifeform: mod6: likewise, there are cltrons (e.g., sbcl) that -- at least in theory -- can compile selves to x86
asciilifeform: and conceivably one could hand-compile tinyscheme.
mod6: is there any big hang-ups about chicken scheme?
phf: asciilifeform: i wonder how much of scar was removed in sbcl. i know while newman was still hacking, he removed a lot of gunk. i vaguely suspect that cmucl can't be improved without tackling the bootstrapping problem, which is probably going to look very similar to sbcl's solution
asciilifeform: also the thing is chock-full of os-specific conditionals
mod6: oh, yeah. almost forgot... having the feather stems in the pillows is the worst. i refuse to use them for that reason. nothing worse than those things poking you in the face.
asciilifeform: now, it isn't as if i had a better cltron to offer.
mircea_popescu: phf enjoy it while it lasts bub, i had the same thing in my 20s/early 30s
asciilifeform: makes trb look good.
asciilifeform: (things that are there to work around $bug, which in turn stems from workaround of $bug2, etc)
asciilifeform: phf: i've spent last hr or so reading cmucl code, more or less at random, and am struck by the sheer proportion of scar tissue
phf: girl couldn't figure out how i can eat so much (now) and not gain any weight was a mystery. few weeks ago a lightbulb "ooooh, it all goes to thinking!"
mod6: omg. i bet the bolognese is awesome.
mircea_popescu household goes through >100k calories / week and all the girls are dieting.
mircea_popescu: yesterday was a 2 gallon pot of bolognese with smoked mozarella. today was 7 sushi rolls. this isn't counting the pastries, cookies, cocktails etc.
phf: also the sbcl os patch, applies cleanly against sbcl_0_9_14, but is missing the forth bootstrap that nyef's talking about
phf: sometime in the early 2000s my family basically lived on what we called wolf diet. small bits and pieces, like nuts and fruit for two three days, but then once in three or four days we'd cook a giant steak or roastbeef or such. there was no reason for it, just sort of gravitated towards..
mod6: i'd get medieval on someone if they did that to my salami
mod6: we talked about how some this happened once upon a time in a socialist hell hole.
mircea_popescu: this is a thing ?!
mod6: i was at the deli the other day, buying up all the meats... and just remembering, and getting even pissed about the thought of some asswads substituting soy in for fat.
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk, and i thought it was so original
mircea_popescu: wait you mean to tell me the keto dorks "reinvented" a fad diet from the 60s ?
mod6: all meat, no carbs type thing.
mircea_popescu: which one is that one ? no pasta ? all pasta ?
mod6: i just had this impression that alf was on atkins or something
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-20#1605492 << as (perhaps folx suspected) -- 'meat' is not necessarily to eat. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i ~did~ wonder what he wanted with that crate.
mircea_popescu: it's a woman thing.