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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes on consideration piece not really worth translating ; it was a short intro for clueless ro audience. read eric berne &co instead.
asciilifeform: get married, grow taller!
asciilifeform: smoke moar, waft away the plague miasmas.
mircea_popescu: fancy the inept seinfeld boys of the time, trying to find the secret rubik cube configuration
asciilifeform: 'I read somewhere that whoever was calling for the most violence was who Bernardine latched onto and fucked silly. No violence, no pussy. '
asciilifeform: apprentice is more of a walking spermatozoid than anything else.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to the deeply desired implication reflected in the name, there's no relation between a wizard and an apprentice wizard.)
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's a discussion of history not a proposal. woe to the apprentice wizard who fancies himself a wizard on the strength of having read the actual wizard's youth journal.
asciilifeform: well yes. but picture him transported, somehow, to obummer's usa.
asciilifeform: of course we get to hear from the successful mircea_popescus, rather than the 'emperor nortons' who were SWATed like flies.
mircea_popescu: a shit what some random bureaucrat thinks on any topic. I asked the DA if he thinks he has it in him to survive once the world which I control is no longer tolerant of him."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing is easier than http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121016 "I didn't ask the girl if she thinks I'm any good or not. This is neither her business nor something within her purview. I asked the girl if she thinks she has it in her to try and survive once the world (WHICH I OWN) is no longer friendly to her. I didn't ask the DA for his evaluation of me. I couldn't give less of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. but the article makes a very solid point : the current "start-up culture" is EXACTLY this. as discussed in the trilema "sv pedos" piece and ailleurs.
asciilifeform: (very easy to 'underground' when no one is hunting)
asciilifeform: part of it is the 'uncatchable joe' aspect
mircea_popescu: anwyay, the farmer's faith in the functional ability of their institutions, fbi or whatever, is entirely misplaced. about half my friends throughout my entire ro period were "underground" or "on the lam" ; for that matter the italians recently arrested that dude with the cesar ciphers ? he was "hiding" for 30 years by then
asciilifeform: quite believable. my understanding is that '65s-'75 usa was undergoing a 'british empire' moment where 'youngest sons' of the elite had 'lack of breathing room' and went uppity, and threw a bit of tantrum before being reabsorbed, bill ayers style, into specially-created 'church' bureaucracies
asciilifeform: Columbia University neighborhood, where lots and lots of people knew who they were. And miraculously the FBI could not find them.'
asciilifeform: 'Let me tell you about young Bernardine. She was a strikingly attractive woman. Beautiful clear olive skin. Busty and she showed it off all the time. And usually in high black boots. Not working class engineer boots, shiny black fetish gear. Have you seen the Weather movie? Through the entire “underground” period she wore that gear. They were “underground” on the Upper West Side, in the
asciilifeform: town there was no problem ever. Someone had arranged all this and it was not the Episcopal Church. Of course the two honchos who ran our chapter were both later exposed as pedophiles and FBI.'
asciilifeform: weapons, and an infinite supply of ammunition for training purposes. If they burned out an M60 by running it too hot there was another M60 ready to go. And a little farm in Wisconsin to use as a training facility. All the farmers in the vicinity could and did hear the M60 and the BAR, so could the local police, somehow in spite of every local looking daggers at the hippies when they passed through
asciilifeform: 'Myself I started to drift out of SDS when martial arts training became obligatory. When weapons training was required that was the end for me. What sent me away was not so much the notion of using a gun for a political end as that the providers of the guns were people who until five minutes previous could not fundraise a nickel bag for a party. Suddenly they had weapons, unlimited weapons, nice
mod6: Much appreciated. Other than this problem with the roots at hand, I think mine is in pretty great shape. The implementation of the all-antecedents axiom creates a bit of a slant here for what I have. But I'll do some digging into what your v99 looks like again and see if I can't get something resolved with that.
asciilifeform: lemme know if you need a hand with the algo (though imho my original proggy was pretty readable)
mod6: I appreciate both of your thoughts and considerations on the subject matter.
mircea_popescu: "design clarifications" to be proper eh
mircea_popescu: mod6 kinda the thing with prototyping, we end up with redesigns
mod6: heheh. this is complicated huh.
mircea_popescu: indeed, this is a temporary fix we find selves in
asciilifeform: (i.e. you can show that $item is ~no older~ than B blocks, but never ~no younger~)
asciilifeform: though it still doesn't hurt to remember that deedbot (or any similar scheme) can only prove ~floors~ and never ~ceilings~
asciilifeform: i also expect that (at least if traditional bitcoin continues to function interruptedly) promisetronic 'we the wise men agreed that hash H represents this tarball which existed in 2012...' will become entirely unnecessary and hence dispensed with in favour of actual pointers to deedbot
asciilifeform: probably this is the only consistent and long-term-sane method.
mircea_popescu: it can even be a collective key, perhaps not in the sense of actually sharing the privkey, but perhaps trbf/holder signs items at request ; with the understanding it's all foundling crap anyway
mircea_popescu: mod6 i expect the correct solution going forward is : a) for someone (maybe trbf ?) to make a Wildman McFucksticks key which b) will be used to sign a compliant rebase of tinyscheme / anything else anyone finds in the woods and wants to sign.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu would not hold any of the signers answerable for its defects
asciilifeform: in the sense that it is of heathen birth, but nevertheless memorialized as an origin and not subsumed
asciilifeform: why does trb-genesis get special treatment in mircea_popescu's scheme ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that wedge will also not prevail.
asciilifeform: except mircea_popescu is not doing without milk, he (and i, and the lot of us) is drinking the pus from syphilitic whore.
mircea_popescu: the odds of something being imported to break the structure because hey, convenience are nil.
asciilifeform: and, again, 'no cow -- no milk.' the alternative to shiva is not 'clean code from reliable people in wot' but the old satoshi abortion in continued use.
asciilifeform: i ain't equating, e.g., tinyscheme, to works from my own pen.
mod6: it either goes in the tree or it does not exist.
mod6: i think that cow aught to be rebased perhaps
asciilifeform: there must remain the option of keeping cow.
asciilifeform: shiva(tinyscheme) is not a wife, it is a cow. it is quite possible to have a house without a cow. if you do have a cow, it lives in separate structure, and nobody will need to be reminded that it is not a wife. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there isn't two different someones out there in a reliable sense.
mircea_popescu: see the discussion of boeck's alleged "contributions" etc.
mircea_popescu: the concept of identity in the fiat world has come under scrutiny every single time.
asciilifeform: note that we did ~same thing for trb genesis.
asciilifeform: nor tinyscheme, etc.
asciilifeform: imho for no c program is this a safe (in terms of preserving one's honour) act.
asciilifeform: if there is literally no way to memorialize the fact that i took $item off a dead nazi, or dug up from sunken atlantis, rather than wrote it personally -- said item will have to be done without. (unless someone else in your wot does the imho monumentally idiotic act of 'adopting it as own child') ☟︎
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i am saying, flatly, that this isn't a knowledge. as per lieberman.
mircea_popescu: i caqn readily see why this irritates your otherwise very well developed and entirely respectable respect for knowledge.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to meaningfully assert "this leaf was made by $somenonpeople".
mircea_popescu: to put it in more direct terms : remove fog of war around authorship yes, but this can ONLY be done through denying the franchise to anyone outside of wot. only wot people can be authors of things, so in this sense anything, tinyscheme included, until and unless its meatspace authors fess up, is literally "found in forest" and will have to bear an actual man's name
asciilifeform: slave-fucking was a sometimes-thing there, evidently.
asciilifeform: eh even modern mexico, the actual-people-people are white (as white as spain, at least)
mircea_popescu: historically this isn't so accurate, everyone lived in the ~same shit.
asciilifeform: you give'em spanish names but they live in slave quarters.
mircea_popescu: but understand that the only correct solution is to steal the natives babies and give them roman/spanish names.
asciilifeform: and so i remain skeptical of vtronic practices that obscure authorship, for whatever otherwise excellent reasons.
asciilifeform: aha. and one of the old plagues i aimed to cure, with v, was the 'fog of war' surrounding authorship.
mircea_popescu: this is, after all, why we made v in the first place.
asciilifeform: to elaborate on the 'no children' bit, extreme strictness does not leave us with 'either correct software! XOR stone knives and bearskins and NO software!' but rather with 'massive pile of old broken software'
mircea_popescu: it is also the only safe one.
mircea_popescu: corectness, and corectness only, is the goal. if it produces no children so be it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu also tends to ignore the very real risk of 'no concubines, no children'
mircea_popescu: not sure it wasn't ; pretty sure that was always there, but yes i guess before the expliciting
asciilifeform: i specifically asked to memorialize the fact that i did not write tinyscheme.
asciilifeform: but this was not wife, but concubine
mircea_popescu: there is no merge in that sense.
asciilifeform: imho this is a distinct item and oughta remain indicable.
asciilifeform: in the case of tinyscheme, i dealt with (or at least thought i was dealing with) the case where two separate bloodlines merge.
mircea_popescu: speshul snowflakes need not apply ; they may be own trees, or leaves in extant trees, or not at all.
mircea_popescu: the project is named after its tree's genesis, and conceptually exists as and only as descendancy from that genesis.
asciilifeform: how many other stylistic eggogs should v enforce ? tabs-v-spaces?
mircea_popescu: vtron that presses a tree containing more than one genesis is, by that very fact, a broken implementation.
asciilifeform: and i entirely agree with mircea_popescu that working with such a thing is terrifyingly poor discipline.
asciilifeform: every node in a tree with 1,001 roots, flows back to ~one~ particular root.
asciilifeform: you NEVER press 'a multiroot tree.' you press ~one node~, which has ~one root~
mircea_popescu: im not going to go into debugging your metaphors.
asciilifeform: i get it, mircea_popescu really hates blue colour, and thinks that merc engine should light eggog light an' stop immediately if it detects blue paint on chassis
mircea_popescu: vtron that presses a multi-root tree is, by that very fact, a broken implementation.
mircea_popescu: well, i get it that you think you did, except you didn't, because, note this, BECAUSE it didn't crash your algo.
asciilifeform: they don't lead to unexpected 'wtf'
asciilifeform: they don't crash the algo.
asciilifeform: i get that mircea_popescu really, ~really~ hates multirooted vtrees. this doesn't make'em '1==2'
asciilifeform: yes but all points on the graph are unambiguously pressable to.
mircea_popescu: this is what teh words mean.
mircea_popescu: more than one root === disconnected flows.
asciilifeform: this is impossible to arrange even deliberately.
asciilifeform: it cannot be part of two disconnected flows.
asciilifeform: you pick a node to press to.
mircea_popescu: besides the point.
asciilifeform: but you can never do this
mircea_popescu: the concept of "a press" towards more than one root is actually devoid of content.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i disagree that multiple-roots should be a mechanical eggog.