asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: blocks=136927 bastards=7631 peak=120M

asciilifeform: retards can go pound sand

asciilifeform: would be more economical to simply chop the connection

asciilifeform: ergo, when it hits a retarded peer, grunts for a while

asciilifeform: dislodged

asciilifeform: 117MB max footprint

asciilifeform: 4570 bstrds

asciilifeform: same effect at 131019...

asciilifeform: based on the footprint, the orphanage burner functions

asciilifeform: but when wedged, does not oom.

asciilifeform: if connects to a peer who insists on pumping it full of bastards, cyclically, of course it wedges.

asciilifeform: this is actually an unsurprising result

asciilifeform: 124000 & counting

asciilifeform: (2800 bastards in)

asciilifeform: stays in mem footprint

asciilifeform: go figure, dislodged.

asciilifeform: ^ of this form

asciilifeform: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed xxxxxxxxx

asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : xxxxxxxxx mapTransactions prev not found yyyyyyyyy

asciilifeform: after ~15 min, 950 (iirc) bastards, 85MB max footprint - reached a wedge state at 119970 (1983 bastards, came in burst)

asciilifeform: 2nd run (see above) :

asciilifeform: ^ 'bastard count'

asciilifeform: grep "ORPHAN BLOCK" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log | wc -l

asciilifeform resets

asciilifeform: log shows that only two 'bastards' came in

asciilifeform: seems like it got lucky with peers

asciilifeform: but!

asciilifeform: ten minutes of run, 127937 height (and going at that rate), at no point process exceeded 90MB

asciilifeform: (250, x86)

asciilifeform: experimental result:

asciilifeform: davout: the flood happens nearly always in the natural process of loading blocks

asciilifeform: it happens reliably, anyway

asciilifeform: malicious peers not even needed for this

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: if the memory footprint can actually be limited, the smaller machine can perhaps be allowed to swap to disk.

asciilifeform: testing a build of same with constant of 250

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was right in that a fundamentally more intelligent mechanism for retrieving blocks is necessary

asciilifeform: almost certainly not (quite definitely not on 'pogo')

asciilifeform: stuck at 3466.

asciilifeform: bitcoind limited to 'orphanage' of 50 blocks (running on ordinary pc) never syncs

asciilifeform: so:

asciilifeform: i.e. you have some say in what folks you meet will call you, but not 100%

asciilifeform: this is actually more like how names work in life

asciilifeform: nick is just something you'd assign locally to an fp, for convenience

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that was sorta the plan in 'gossip'

asciilifeform at one point snarfed up all of it

asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/index.html

asciilifeform: (*in the archive)

asciilifeform: it's in there, somewhere.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yeah, linked piece is not quite what i was looking for

asciilifeform: nd Free Software are proofs that computers are alienating in the old Marxist sense and the Open Source and Free Software projects are reactions to this sense of alienation, in order to make the person stand out from the computerized nothingness.'

asciilifeform: 'Let's put it another way: Money will _not_ get you any Open Source or Free Software. People create software like this because they want to, _not_ because they get paid. Money is a basically a _detractor_ for creative people who want others to use their software and through that become personally visible. It is pretty sad, but money does not offer visibility to someone who is begging for others to notice him. Open Source a

asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3184272714185846@naggum.net.html

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3134574475962391@naggum.no.html << one bit. there was more, somewhere

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: their value delivered goes up disproportionately to their wage hikes << naggum wrote at some length on this subject

asciilifeform: i bet you can think of some examples of this, from your own practice

asciilifeform: even for straight reverse-engineering, there are order-of-magnitude variations in the amount different folks have to read to grasp the problem

asciilifeform: (consultant)

asciilifeform: unless you already knew (or even wrote) it

asciilifeform finds the above ^ a bit confusing but may be out of depth

asciilifeform: the gnarlier, uglier, the proggy, the more potential for 'screws'

asciilifeform: civilian - will be reading the horror for weeks

asciilifeform: the master of a particular turd can 'turn the screw'

asciilifeform: especially there, this ought to be true ?

asciilifeform: the most valuable contractor is the one who magicks away the problem in seconds and then gets out of yer face

asciilifeform: hourly billing, esp. for engineering, always seemed like the worst possible incentive to me

asciilifeform: the latter is called 'which screw'

asciilifeform: am i the only one who thinks this is odd

asciilifeform: and the fella who has to think for two hours to come up with xxxx, should be paid 2x the pay of the 1h one ?

asciilifeform: iirc there was programming involved?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent?

asciilifeform: try paying the 'which screw' man by the hour.

asciilifeform: !s which screw

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why not by the pound ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol!

asciilifeform: 185964.

asciilifeform: (for non-usa folks: the 'college racket' does not consist merely of tuition and housing that go up ~10%/yr., but also miscellaneous vampirisms like textbooks that stay almost exactly the same but for the exercise set orderings, at 100-400 usd a pop, moving target every semester)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's

asciilifeform: mathematically - quite achievable

asciilifeform: 0.5.3 - certainly not

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so long as overhead is O(n) or below, why not

asciilifeform was thinking the opposite - civilized nodes could provide arbitrary tx access

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what can be

asciilifeform wonders if anyone else considers this to be lame

asciilifeform: (from the bitcoin.it www)

asciilifeform: 'getdata... ...can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'

asciilifeform: the former, those who have been ceremonially buggered in the usual sense, the latter - those who have not (or not yet), but have been assigned the caste

asciilifeform: which, according to scholars, divides those who have been 'lowered into pederasty' into the 'pierced' and 'unpierced' species

asciilifeform: or rather, russian prison buggery

asciilifeform: when someone brings up 'pierce' can't help but think of pederasts

asciilifeform: or was it flotsam

asciilifeform: (as in floatsam)

asciilifeform: bloatsam.

asciilifeform: no reason not to chop it off at the wall.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wanna be hero? post some packet filter rules for this crap

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: webrtc-ips << lol!!

asciilifeform: not linear.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: 185554.