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BingoBoingo: There's also the older "Atlantis 2" which goes Fortaleza Brasil, Senega, the splits to land in Spain and Portugal
asciilifeform: ( i.e. rather than silently forwarding packets over atm or whatever antediluvian horror )
asciilifeform: 'traceroute' is of pretty limited use for this sorta thing, it will only reveal hops which behave as traditional ip switch
asciilifeform: tho, quite unsurprisingly, does not claim that any intercontinental makes landfall in riga (cuz wtf)
asciilifeform: one heathen source (by no less than 'huawei'!1) claims -- that indeed are.
asciilifeform: last i knew there were 0 direct lines from south a. to europistan, at all.
asciilifeform: i suppose theoretically -- could. but wai.
asciilifeform: hrm mebbe my globe is upside-down, but i can't easily picture how cable can run from riga to south a. direct..
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-21 00:00:24 asciilifeform: ( often enuff there's a concealed -- if not always well-concealed -- roundtrip to london / washington, sitting in 'between austria and switzerland' etc )
diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-21#1929962 - yesterday I ran a traceroute on both (nosuchlabs and btcbase) and it was going via stockholm+london for btcbase but not for nosuchlabs (iirc it was riga and then s.america)
asciilifeform: similarly to 'vianna <-> zurich', this also imho slightly laggier than ordinary globe would suggest
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 18:31:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al : http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.
spyked: asciilifeform, re curl timings: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3N0nO/?raw=true from bucharest, rcs-rds
asciilifeform: imho would be interesting to formally map out these 'mystery' delays.
asciilifeform: in olden times, when they at least had shame, would tape deck in the very undersea capsule and retrieve with sub. today -- this , instead.
asciilifeform: ( can't even make their shitware snoop in ~realtime, moreover )
asciilifeform: ( often enuff there's a concealed -- if not always well-concealed -- roundtrip to london / washington, sitting in 'between austria and switzerland' etc )
asciilifeform: lobbes: presently seems to me that 'distance' such as exists on net, corresponds moar closely to '# of hops through nsa cisco' rather than naive 'km of fiber'.
lobbes: still, roughly the same difference in distance give or take
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 20:42:10 asciilifeform: interesting that there's an entire 150ms b/w austria & frankfurt
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929847 << btw I checked this to be sure, and looks like EDIS moved my 'node' some time ago. No longer in Austria as I thought but instead in Switzerland. Plox to s/Austria/Switzerland on all past timing reports.
lobbes: and keeping off of the ol' ass, of course
lobbes: this makes sense. But in order for this to happen I know I'll first need to be able to reliably identify things that are/are not stupid. Which, I'm getting better at each day, so there is that. Time is the key I guess
trinque: I think more like "continuous discourse about things which are not stupid" and the rest flows from that
lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-16 22:55:19 mircea_popescu: trinque fancy that, you had to have someone tell you! nature teaches by example, you stick more data into woman each time than you ever did into all machines you ever touched. yet...
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-09-16#1543393 << more to the point.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-16 22:54:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: aha, in fact there was a thread where mircea_popescu explained that y'know, you teach the women things
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 02:55 mircea_popescu: trinque fancy that, you had to have someone tell you! nature teaches by example, you stick more data into woman each time than you ever did into all machines you ever touched. yet...
trinque: just pointing out that when you start telling 'em what, could possibly even have a *happy and productive* home
trinque: don't even think I was calling you stupid.
lobbes: we were together 8 years, mind. Living together for 7 of those 8, which made me ~23 when we got together. I was even dumber then, and the bad habits were engrained long before I got a clue
lobbes: trinque: very rarely, and honestly I "caved in" way too often
trinque: now I'll turn it your direction. ever told her no before the exchange in your post?
trinque: lobbes: you know, mircea_popescu asked me this when I told a similar tale of misbehaving woman wrecking the home.
asciilifeform: rright. wedge could easily be happening on acct of some idjit perl running on a crab usg clamped to cable in bermuda triangle...
trinque: heh, in the environment in which these ran, the mitm comes standard
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 15:01:22 asciilifeform: atm i vaguely suspect that tcp on piz is slowed by an inept wiretap somewhere.
asciilifeform: it's entirely conceivable tho that the wedge is on acct of a http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-20#1000423 !
asciilifeform: trinque: it is interesting that the ssl thing gets wedged. if i had free hand might even try to find where -- could be a 0day in there, potentially
asciilifeform: lobbes: but even there, i sat an' read e.g. 'programming of hell', got goin' with ada
trinque: asciilifeform: will find time this weekend to do the minimal duct tape to keep the thing connected, probably amounts to simply lopping off ssl
asciilifeform: lobbes: in those days could think, more or less, only on the train.
asciilifeform: trinque: as i currently understand, you prolly cannot use exactly same algo in deedbot as in snsabot -- deedbot occasionally has to speak asynchronously. you'll need locking queue (as i think you already have)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:17:29 asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929908 << yes, specifically I'm reminded of your tales you told of one salt mine (ascii_butugychag period?) where you could not *think*; this was how it was for me except when *not in the mines*. It is so nice to think again
snsabot: Logged on 2019-01-02 11:38:20 asciilifeform: if one absolutely insists on that feature, prolly Right Thing would be to patch bot so can hang off a znc ( i tried this with own hands, but failed, the existing item is apparently tailored to fleanode-direct connection )
asciilifeform: see thrd re subj
asciilifeform: i was unable to sit pehbot under znc, for this reason
asciilifeform: trinque: in yours, tho, iirc there ~is~ such a knob (it waits for a fleanode-specific ack string when connects)
asciilifeform: trinque: atm i can't think of any reason why you couldn't sit it under e.g. znc. (my bot doesn't use any fleanodeisms internally)
trinque: k, has to be the ssl garbage then.
trinque: I had forgotten the email registration part actually, so I guess bot pwd mitm somewhat mitigated by that
asciilifeform: not yet stuck (or even bumped, other than by my own hand) .
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 4d 10h 59m
asciilifeform: trinque: atm the bot on dulap is 'naked' <-> fleanode
trinque: sorry about the outage y'all; I'm going to do ^ next
asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...
asciilifeform can read written pl approx as readily as engl, but to hear'em ~speak~ is other story entirely
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: relatedly, the trad ru 'ethno-slur' for poles, 'пшеки', is quite a bit like 'пшик', what nominally spray can says.
asciilifeform: 'they're pretty much the only linguistic group very much in danger of mistaking industrial sounds for speech. Careful if you, for instance, use a can of compressed air to clean an old motherboard -- it's entirely possible the resulting vijiieli, indistinct as they may sound to your ear, nevertheless insult the Polish passerby's long dead relatives in the sauciest of manners.' << asciilifeform falls down.
asciilifeform: ( recently, asciilifeform's brother : 'know what, mr p could design an os; you can't' a: 'why's that' b: 'he has the beard' )
asciilifeform: also a+++ tripartite beard.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect it's actually better than france right now.
asciilifeform: this is imho underappreciated skill -- not many folx know how to photograph food properly
mp_en_viaje: poland does very well in terms of fine dining.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: tasty looking foodz btwr
lobbes enjoyed that story btw
mp_en_viaje: everyone takes too long to act ~retrispectively~. it's part of the same bonus package of fonts as "treason never prospers"
asciilifeform: ( 'pet!' 'owner!' 'feed me' 'hrm wait aint this backwards' )
lobbes: I took way too long to act of course, but oh well
asciilifeform: folx who won't train their pets, will end on a leash themselves, noose at 11...
lobbes: that article, man. It is what set the gears in my head in motion. Read it on a plane flight some years ago and realized I was walking into a trap
mp_en_viaje: as per the http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ dichotomy, one can acquire the useless female either by hunting stupidly or by wife spawning shit.
lobbes: ah that was the thread I was remembering; the airport one
asciilifeform: compl. w/ 'i want dog but woman won't let' and the like
lobbes: I'm just very thankful I never got married / had kids; the state being involved would have made this even harder to break free from
asciilifeform: lobbes: i got stuck in an airport 1ce with the thieves fella. he lived under the heel of wife, like saharov. entirely broken man.
mp_en_viaje: no, afaik tha tguy was in same boat as pete_d, where the girl's daddy's the victim and the dude's just... you know, like those little male spiders ? dependopotamus accessories.
lobbes: same here. seems to get a lot of folks (wasn't the thickastheives guy in a similar boat?)
asciilifeform somehow escaped knowing this
lobbes: asciilifeform: ty!
asciilifeform: lobbes: one translation
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/a-little-bit-of-that-old-world-charm-style-grace/ << Trilema -- A little bit of that old world charm, style & grace.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, well, worked out better for you than for kako, at least so far.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: rright, but not only this, but packet switching is nuffin like straight wire , is monstrously slow vs theoretical
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-30 02:02:16 asciilifeform: i suspect it aint the one he has, fwiw, but rather the one in that jewish tale where rabbi tells man 'bring into your house the cow, goat, sheep, then chase'em out sometimes and rejoice in their absence'
asciilifeform: lobbes: do you know the old j00 folk tale where http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-06-30#1920764 ?
lobbes: then I need to sell that damn house. never doing the 'mortgage' thing again. the logs were right (as always)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if 43 ms in diameter then 135 in circumference ; and moreover information doesn't quite flow at the speed of light in our machines.
lobbes: asciilifeform: roger that re: knob
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: ooyeah. still need to get her out of my damn house though (I'm in an apartment now)
asciilifeform: lobbes: when you stand up bot, make sure to change prefix knob ( both for when you arrange with mp_en_viaje to voice it in #t, but especially in the other chans, where if you fughet to change knob, it will step on the feet of mine )
asciilifeform: i suspect presently that for nearly all installations, the 'limiting reactant' will be pipe bw, rather than cpu, ram, etc
lobbes: really simple to backup the database too when it is just a single 'file'. cron and scp ftw
asciilifeform: it's really notbad when entire orchestra is coupla times smaller than available ram
lobbes: auctionbot (which sits on the logbot tree) however is postgres
lobbes: my archiver and the original lobbesbot still run on sqlite
asciilifeform: phuctor for 1st 2y of its life actually lived in a sqlite, and in fact this was faster than pg when data set weighed <1GB
asciilifeform: ( i.e. theoretically might even be faster if one were to sit it down in a sqlite rather than postgres. that is, if there were any actual need to make this thing faster, currently seems that there is not any such need )