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lobbes: so yeah, not much work but
I just need to tweak the 'conversion'
lobbes: what
I mean, is that output takes input directly from IRC and then does the formatting. Not like it is reading local logs
I have saved
mircea_popescu:
i thought we had a discussion re formats at some point, was gonna bold names and whatnot. was it in my dreams ?
lobbes: yeah,
I have my logger, which goes back to (/me goes to check)
lobbes: ah gotcha, okay in that case
I'll need to create some log converter
mircea_popescu: you hafta,
i mean...
i haven't been keeping local logs since travelling etc.
lobbes: well,
I mean the 'new' logs wouldn't start until bot is live anyways.
lobbes: mircea_popescu:
I'm good to begin installation if you do get box.
I'm still looking into getting proper "echo of blog lines" created, but the rest of the bot is ready
diana_coman:
I'm just applying his previous great-sentence since it's such a catch-all, lolz.
lobbes: but
I'm open to suggestions
lobbes: mircea_popescu: well,
I was under the assumption you'd get a box with a trilema copy, and then
I'd stand up bot on said box
lobbes: mircea_popescu: how would you like to testrun? If you just want to play with the demo connected to my testblog,
I can simply bring the bot into #t sometime tonight
diana_coman: fwiw
I wouldn't shoehorn anyone into more tech; maybe the opposite, if anything.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, if worst comes to worst
i guess ima have you manage this for 'em.
mircea_popescu:
i'm not about to shoehorn him into the wrong hole if
i can help it
jfw:
I do think that would play more to dorion's strengths & interests though
I've certainly appreciated his efforts in learning tech
mircea_popescu: lobbes, how long till
i get to testrun that delivery!!!
i'm leaving for the orient in a few weeks you realise!
dorion: right now
I'd take the former because
I think
I'd be more useful in a shorter period of time.
mircea_popescu:
i think either line can be pursued, either we attach you to whoever's in charge as an administrative trainee or else you get piecemeal tasks on the tech side.
dorion: mircea_popescu
I think my strength at present it more on the pm side and communicating to non-technical people why they should take interest in sane computing. Part of my role has been bring people for jfw to teach. With that being said,
I am interested in improving my technical skills.
jfw: my schedule seems pretty packed at least through the end of 2019, perhaps at that point
I could make something like 20 hours per week, will have to consider
mircea_popescu:
i was rather gonna ask what you feel comfortable with on the mid term
mircea_popescu:
i'm trying to work something out re both ownership and manpower.
jfw: My understanding from earlier cuntoo thread is someone needs to step up to *own* the project; to be clear,
I doubt
I'd be prepared for such a thing right now, but yes it works for me to work with other people.
mircea_popescu: how long have you two known each other ? with dorion
i mean ?
jfw:
I've committed fully to diana_coman's mentorship, a big part of which is because
I want to be useful in the republic generally.
jfw:
I don't dispute, and am here to work towards sanity & killing stupidity.
mircea_popescu: kinda why
i don't give the first flying fuck how many retard bois "get upset" or whatever, the demons/voices/their mom tells them to choke on chodes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what?
I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's
Gales distro if we are at that;
I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
dorion: mircea_popescu point taken, thank you. jfw reviewing the contract, Gales Linux is described as your original software, but
I don't know the legal standing of that claim.
jfw: well,
I already had my thing working and thought myself to have other priorities
jfw:
I looked over trinque's blog posts about it but have not looked inside.
mircea_popescu: dorion, yes, well,
i'm not young hands ; and
i'll tell you what anyone in a similar position will tell you : code made to oder and not published is generally suspect of being, at least in the view of some party somewhere, their property.
jfw: people can claim things, but the facts as
I understand them are that
I developed the system on my own, and they did not purchase any ownership in it.
jfw:
I see. They don't know enough about the code to meaningfully own it, and afaik they know this.
mircea_popescu:
i asked you if ~they think~ they own the code, not if god does.
jfw: as
I understand V, he who operates the computer owns the code
jfw: they've paid, and
I've delivered code. It's not public in the sense of not published on web
jfw:
I would think it's 1, as perhaps the driver could be made to work with massive compatibility layers but then the distro wouldn't look much like it does now.
mircea_popescu: "well... is it loyal ?" not really. "how about having children ?" actually,
i think she might be already pregnant.
mircea_popescu: man 2 comes and says "hullo...
i have anothe rsolution.
i call it 'a virgin'. she's a bitch to get along with, but..."
mircea_popescu: "well... but is it loyal ?" quite very loyal. "how about having children ?
i think
i want chilndren too".
mircea_popescu: man 1 comes and says, "hi,
i have a solution to this.
i call it 'dog'. it's very companionable."
mircea_popescu: so, someone says, "
i want companionship in my life". this is the general problem.
jfw: far as
I know you would
mircea_popescu: do
i have to throw out gales if
i decide to use graphics as a given necessity or don't
i jfw:
I expect that'd be quite difficult, its libGL is a glibc-based .so
jfw:
I've built a basic X stack (no 3d accel) on dynamic-linked musl, the biggest uncertainty to me there is whether it'll work static since it's module-oriented
mircea_popescu: this is what
i'm asking, what's the extension process like
jfw:
I've manually done a linux kconfig, as one might on gentoo w/o genkernel
jfw: so, was not originally intended as training tool
I think is what
I'm saying.
jfw:
I've found it quite usable for things like trb node, airgapped gpg machine, basic VPS (though no LAMP stack presently)
dorion: mircea_popescu
I'm present as well, able to fill in where needed.
jfw: dorion and
I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
jfw: It's a Linux distro
I put together, in a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
diana_coman: in other lolz,
I contacted yet another local dc and the guy went to read my blog so
I pointed him to
the rundown on it; rather curious now what'll he do, lolz.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:47:13 mircea_popescu: suppose you talk to both fellas here about the thing,
i wanna follow along
mircea_popescu: so try and get off your nonsense horse for the like third time this year, learn how to meaningfully communicate AND DO IT, we might have something here. but in any case the something we will have will NOT be linear extension of the alf shit.
i ain't ever again doing anything like that.
mircea_popescu: half-ass commitments, plausibly-deniable commitments & the whole charade of alfisms are no longer something
i will accept -- for the sore experience of how poorly it works when
i do accept them.
mircea_popescu: as an aside,
i very much dislike the ambiguous relationship to the republic, along the lines of "check out my son, he got 1st prize in drag racing" / "have you heard what your son's done, he got himself expelled!!!" traditional intramarital passive-agressive idiocy.
mircea_popescu: * pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu :is now your hidden host (set by services.) << fucken nonsense,
i never noticed before tey fucked my name.
mp_en_viaje:
i really don't currently see the payoff for putting work into making it static
diana_coman: the additional thing there being also that some of the deps are really system dependent at least so far so they'd need to be extracted (if possible!) as static libs themselves and bundled up and by the end of it
I'll probably end up with tmsr-os
I suppose.
mp_en_viaje:
i don't imagine we'll be able to ditch autoconf in principle, until many years later, many years AFTER tmsr-os is a thing
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:47:54 mircea_popescu: so
i suppose this is the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long to move client cs on cuntoo.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: re
moving cs I had a look in more detail at the situation there: there are 3k lines of autoconf script to start with; this looks for all sorts and takes care of various cases including differences (re where is what) between linux distros
diana_coman: this is why
I didn't mention it earlier really; because there are still some things to sort out first.
mp_en_viaje: because for their sins computers were born after the capacity for serious activity died in the esltard. so it's all comicon all over, "this is some doodle
i made please don't hate me" psychoweird.
diana_coman: heh,
I doubt it's *that little*; anyways,
I'd certainly rather see it in detail by now, yes.
diana_coman:
I'd still have a look at it in more detail.
mp_en_viaje:
i can't imagine how tmsr-os would work such that a package one wants to import wouldn't require some diddling
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: from what
I talked to jfw so far (he still has to write it up but there's a long list there of write-ups for him to do!), he made his own distribution with his own scripts for package building; he has it in production in that he uses it for his clients afaik but it doesn't seem to scale well the way it is currently
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what?
I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's
Gales distro if we are at that;
I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564 << my only take-away is that trinque does not want to own the tmsr os. whether this is because ye olde manaloning & etc silly habits of boihood are just that hard to break, or for whatever reason.
i can't quite discern, seeing how he talks little and mostly besides the point.
diana_coman:
I still don't really have any clear idea what trinque has done or wants to do.
ossabot: (trinque) 2019-11-03 trinque: need to do a bit of decrufting before
I post these, going to wrap it up tomorrow.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 jfw: Gales Linux is a new distribution, not using Portage or other sort of auto-download and dependency resolution; it's got a set of package build scripts
I've developed over time based on my own needs
trinque:
I am failing to find the appropriate links as yet.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-10 08:30:28 diana_coman: they had a few words in #trinque;
I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.
trinque:
I'm thinking you and he could turn this into a proper consulting gig if they like what you produce, and
I'm happy to manage / advise such an endeavor.