asciilifeform: 257458.

asciilifeform: e us so they can be the true leaders of the bitcoin community too.' << win

asciilifeform: 'We, the true "only official foundation of Bitcoin" declare ourselves the new leaders. Our main goal will be hookers and blow for everyone! Our main concern will be beer and Bitcoin of course. We will represent the bitcoin community from now on in the correct way to the outside world and all important people need to bow to us and bribe us to get a foot in the door. It will also be lucrative for the people in power to infiltrat

asciilifeform: !b 16 ✂︎

asciilifeform: ^ usa in one page

asciilifeform: i was expecting a reference to the maths girl

asciilifeform wonders whether, if mircea_popescu offered a bounty, one of the flunkies would walk in with 'smoking gun' dirt

asciilifeform: same deal, no?

asciilifeform: see also the reddit incident

asciilifeform: with finest grammar, from content farms in philippines

asciilifeform: oh it'll send by itself, lol

asciilifeform: !up Vexual

asciilifeform: there is a whole not-very-well-hidden world of what one might call 'cardinal richelieu' ('...six words of the honest man!') infrastructure, waiting for command from usg to send 'd34th thr34tz!!!1111!!!' to some crowned head that are Provably!111! from your house, when the time comes

asciilifeform: decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2014#813119 << old thread, relevant ☝︎

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that a scan taking >year is worth much

asciilifeform: decimation: i wonder if the device keys have even been 'phuctored' ever.

asciilifeform: where the tap is placed surprisingly close downstream to the 'last mile'

asciilifeform: there is a tradition in usa of 'deniable' snooping

asciilifeform: there's another aspect, also

asciilifeform: ^ that comes from isp tap, no need for diddled modems

asciilifeform: e.g., abroad

asciilifeform: there is also the matter of guaranteeing that the equipment cannot be repurposed for any sane use

asciilifeform: reading - already trivial

asciilifeform: ergo it is for -writing- not reading.

asciilifeform: !s toilet tank

asciilifeform: the escrow can have -only one- purpose - to let nice folks at usg forge packets as 'provably' from your house.

asciilifeform: decimation: the funny part isn't any of this, but that wtf is the point, isp has plaintext of your packets necessarily, anyway

asciilifeform: Vexual: well, 'Get Work'

asciilifeform: decimation: surprised ?

asciilifeform: i.e. it was written before bitcoin was valuable.

asciilifeform: satoshi's miner is valuable for the same reason as the rest of that piece of shit

asciilifeform: decimation: but imho it is unwise to throw away satoshi's miner so lightly

asciilifeform: decimation: sure, can be outside

asciilifeform: Vexual: has to be a *physical* box

asciilifeform: this means miner is in.

asciilifeform: but idea being, if dropped on alpha centauri with the RI, ought to be able to start using bitcoin immediately ☟︎

asciilifeform: even if it is worthless in practice

asciilifeform: punkman: hence ought to contain an example of miner.

asciilifeform: this is, recall, a -reference- implementation

asciilifeform: punkman: i actually must confess that i disagree

asciilifeform: punkman: lemme guess, snipped miner

asciilifeform: -and- device keys generated in factory!

asciilifeform: toy crypto - it's not just a bad idea, it's the law! (TM)

asciilifeform: decimation: ahahaha there we go

asciilifeform: on physical (specifically not vps) machine

asciilifeform: punkman: got a 10Gb/s pipe somewhere in asia ?

asciilifeform: (for non-u.s. folks: the harshest searches are reserved for folks flying -in- at present)

asciilifeform: or what interesting antibodies you've come back with

asciilifeform: lol!

asciilifeform: (or in usa, but not own box)

asciilifeform: also it absolutely has to happen from outside usa, for reasons

asciilifeform: can also scan the old-fashioned way but then add two or three zeros to time required.

asciilifeform: and prefers to diddle a physical NIC directly, even.

asciilifeform: (it uses custom tcp stack)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see the linked 'mass scan' readme.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure if aws will even put out raw packets

asciilifeform: but probably safe to ignore these

asciilifeform: iirc, the latest phoundation edition is able to use ipv6

asciilifeform: for a less-than-gargantuan pipe, this scales down in the obvious statistical way.

asciilifeform: (e.g. find clusters, cliques, esp. ones with peculiar behaviour)

asciilifeform: and, if gargantuan pipes can be had, to query addr lists and then graph wizardry

asciilifeform: and once scanned, the logical next step is to query versions

asciilifeform: fiddybucks or otherwise

asciilifeform: punkman: i specifically did not mean 'use publicly available site which may or may not actually scan in the way printed on the box, and may or may not censor or otherwise diddle shown results'

asciilifeform: !up Vexual

asciilifeform: (aes? what length)

asciilifeform: and, what gets used as the block cipher ?

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: or crapped out on powerup

asciilifeform: i.e. is it baked in at factory

asciilifeform: decimation: i can't be arsed to wade through spec, but didja find who generates key?

asciilifeform: aha so ssl-style sc4m

asciilifeform: if uses civilized rsa at all, it is with ludicrously shrunken key lengths

asciilifeform: decimation: i haven't a clue, but generally a mass-produced gadget in usa -never- used proper public key crypto

asciilifeform: i can't say that i've kept up with the work on the subject

asciilifeform: decimation: i'm aware of work re: 'uncapping' (cheat for bandwidth augment) but also proper pwnage of modems

asciilifeform: decimation: answer's yes

asciilifeform: decimation: esp. fun on defective WANs like cablemodem

asciilifeform: https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan

asciilifeform: on account of idiots/smb

asciilifeform: actually i must revise above. winblows 445 incoming is often zapped

asciilifeform: on account of winblows/spam

asciilifeform: outgoing - port 25 typically dropped where i live

asciilifeform: decimation: i can't speak for the whole planet, but nothing i've used in usa filters incoming except in the sense of -all- incoming being denied by wireless providers

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it needs roughly same resources as a good spamatron

asciilifeform: lul

asciilifeform: ask any chemist!

asciilifeform: that's 'glug'

asciilifeform: ud is wrong

asciilifeform surprised

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you actually want to see this done, and have not yet done it?

asciilifeform: teases, lol

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo dear glub man

asciilifeform: scan

asciilifeform: *port

asciilifeform: one interesting way would be, resources permitting, a massive ipv4 post scan for 8333...

asciilifeform: i'm a bit curious how their seed blob is generated

asciilifeform: nt

asciilifeform: i assume mircea_popescu did similar experimet.