asciilifeform: whatsoever.

asciilifeform: should not have had to change anything.

asciilifeform: odd, then

asciilifeform: building on what platform ?

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what version of openssl ?

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: for 'pogo' ?

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: neato

asciilifeform: 288888, incidentally.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: danielpbarron's was, no ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'process man' << 'Well a process man am I and I'm tellin' you no lie / I work and breathe among the fumes that tread across the sky...'

asciilifeform: ^ epic ps0t btw

asciilifeform: they're nearly perfect for the job as they come

asciilifeform: i think nowadays folks normally build them out of hd platters

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: neato

asciilifeform: kanzure: biological 'antifreeze' as in certain frogs ?

asciilifeform: kanzure: what would you be breeding? cell membranes resistant to ice?

asciilifeform: kanzure: probably will have more luck with selective breeding for breathing vacuum

asciilifeform: kanzure: try with smaller organism first ?

asciilifeform: dr34mz

asciilifeform: kanzure: if 100 xxx, at home - then why?!?!!

asciilifeform: kanzure: if you are trying to produce 5,000,000 units of xxx by next tuesday - that 'fuji' is your god and king, and pray to it

asciilifeform: and reverse-engineered, at titanic sweat, data, years after said device is out of production

asciilifeform: except as tiny dribbles of leak

asciilifeform: for one thing, documentation is not even available for the most interesting devices

asciilifeform: kanzure: one could come to a worse fate than 'millions of pages of documentation'

asciilifeform: wat

asciilifeform: kanzure: assuming you just want linear motion of fluids - you should be able to get what you want from a sheet of glass. etch with co2 laser or hf.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the event one or the other participant is captured with his equipment, the ephemeral key is (presumably) gone.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: otr/'forward secrecy' is simply the practice of generating an ephemeral key for a particular conversation, which is to be discarded later

asciilifeform: if you don't need much precision at all, 'muscle wire'

asciilifeform: kanzure: zero assembly steps << hard to improve on mhd

asciilifeform: kanzure: this is a question i've put a great deal of thought in. what do you dislike re: existing actuators for cnc ?

asciilifeform: we named how many? 6 ?

asciilifeform: can.

asciilifeform: kanzure: actual engineering usually happens with an objective

asciilifeform: then - for what ?

asciilifeform: 1mil+ - alibaba

asciilifeform: if you need 1 - ebay

asciilifeform: (you don't need to mount the laser itself on the glass! fiber conduit)

asciilifeform: kanzure: how many do you need ?

asciilifeform: kanzure: 'ebay' is.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it. can apply heat wherever you want it (laser, or electrically - indium or similar conductive layer on the glass)

asciilifeform: neither has moving parts in the usual sense

asciilifeform: *piston

asciilifeform: or, alternatively, a liquid-pistol stirling engine using two sheets of glass and a garden-variety co2 laser engraver

asciilifeform: kanzure: you should be able to fabricate a linear mhd actuator using ordinary etched copper pcb.

asciilifeform: kanzure: is this engine search still connected with your microfluidics/high-throughput screening thing, or something new ?

asciilifeform: (where? on #b-a, naturally.)

asciilifeform: a decade in the lab saves you a minute...

asciilifeform: kanzure: i think you just linked to a perpetuum mobile.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: inchworm drive is not necessarily implemented with piezos (though usually), nor is a piezo actuator necessarily built on inchworm principle.

asciilifeform: with elementary equip.

asciilifeform: kanzure: 1) not hard to research the basic mechanics, it's primary school physics 2) not hard to build experimental concept

asciilifeform: kanzure: your desk

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was that tlp ?

asciilifeform: if your working fluid is even slightly conductive - mhd.

asciilifeform: where - little precision, arbitrary force

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: referring to mhd

asciilifeform: mhd - no parts at all

asciilifeform: (do you need precision? you didn't say whether did or not)

asciilifeform: as much force as you can sink heat.

asciilifeform: hell, mhd actuator

asciilifeform: kanzure: if you merely wish to drive a linear actuator, use an inchworm motor. if you need extraordinary force, use terfenol-d for the piezo stacks.

asciilifeform: !up kanzure

asciilifeform: does the engine need to produce linear motion? turn a shaft? cycle more than once? more than a trillion times ?

asciilifeform: there is no such thing as 'generic actuator'

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: force exerted on what ?

asciilifeform: and also precisely why it needs to be lithographically produced

asciilifeform: kanzure: i may be able to give you more specific advice if you say what the engine is meant to drive.

asciilifeform: (etching is quite certainly not 'one pass' in any sense, but i can see how it might fit here)

asciilifeform: i'm assuming it refers to anything akin to printing, stamping, etching

asciilifeform: kanzure: you now have answer.

asciilifeform: kanzure: answer's easy - stirling with liquid piston.

asciilifeform: kanzure: from a cursory reading of the linked log, it appears that you want a photolithographable engine ?

asciilifeform: http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/tesla_turbine_5.JPG << from hdd platter

asciilifeform: flat enough with one disk

asciilifeform: i don't think it gets any simpler than that

asciilifeform: kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ?

asciilifeform: kanzure: planar engine?

asciilifeform: Many Eyes (TM) !11!

asciilifeform: 282547.

asciilifeform off to indent a bed.

asciilifeform: !b 5 ✂︎

asciilifeform: exercise for student: when you wake up, think of six entirely factually-correct - but disastrously intellectually-crippling - models for some commonplace thing or other. ☟︎

asciilifeform: or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be.

asciilifeform: what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts.

asciilifeform: 'streaming query'

asciilifeform: why, then, suggest it for a computer program?

asciilifeform: that nobody in his right mind would normally suggest.

asciilifeform: except that this is an astonishingly abstruse model for what the lamp/socket do.

asciilifeform: when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ?

asciilifeform: punkman: unfortunately - expensive. and no chassis/powersupply

asciilifeform: trinque: ever found the 'easier machine' ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^

asciilifeform: neato.

asciilifeform: even, e.g., power management ?

asciilifeform: trinque: finished in the sense of there not remaining a single peripheral that could be described as not entirely working to spec ?

asciilifeform: d happened.'