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assbot: How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/
asciilifeform: he had a number of crackpot recipes
mircea_popescu: diametric may have a point. you can prolly ge away with a community agreement where every tenant has to play scrabble or some shit
mircea_popescu: does that russian forum actually expect someone to type out (2/3 * x ** (2/3))/((3/4 * x ** (3/4) -(6/7 * x ** (6/7) )+x as a reply to a captcha ?
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, partisan dugouts in the us may have to wait a few years.
mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall a story of yours, about a chum who went to usa and left in disgust, when he was not permitted to build other than a cardboard house.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd be great, but would have to be deep in a forest, secret, with a stump for a chimney - just like during the war. because living in something that isn't a house is highly illegal in usa (unless part of a designated ghettoschwitz)
asciilifeform has workshop in a very large garden shed, that came with current rental. itches every time coming out of it.
The20YearIRCloud: the fiberglass people a pretty crazy when it comes to supressing new types of insullation
The20YearIRCloud: At least, a trailer lives up to code when it was built, and it isn't illegal to use one that's old as dirt
asciilifeform: Not legal in my area to use a shipping container << perhaps you can guess why.
rithm: shipping container buried the side of a hill sounds lovely to me
The20YearIRCloud: Not legal in my area to use a shipping container
asciilifeform would happily live in a refrigerator truck, or a partizan dugout, or similar, if it didn't come with being corralled into a ghetto of similar wretches
mircea_popescu: what's the floor surface of a trailer ? 200sq ft ?
The20YearIRCloud: But the premise is to take crappy trailers, and have my guys refurbish them in a way that they'd be superior to most conventionally built houses with regards to energy, and then rent em out for median pricing
ThickAsThieves: i rented a trailer when i first moced to fl
The20YearIRCloud: I've got a pretty good concept of what i want to do, just need a municipality where I can do it legally
asciilifeform thought trailer was for 'owning home' when you only have a few thousand usd in pocket
The20YearIRCloud: I found a few singlewide trailers for our company
asciilifeform: form a circle let's hold hands << in old science fiction, it'd have been 'cripple builds cybernetic mega-coc, proceeds to kill worlds'
ThickAsThieves: good tshirt for a porn actress
mircea_popescu: anyway, the us-agitprop makes me chaf. "o noes, you can do anything, retards are people too, form a circle let's hold hands"
asciilifeform pictures a jet actually piloted using cock
mircea_popescu: shitty trade tho. i wouldn't spend a year in wheelchair for an extra four inches
asciilifeform: a year+ in wheelchair.
asciilifeform: surgeon breaks both of your legs with a clever little instrument; sets them in such a way that they grow 10cm or so at a time - longer.
asciilifeform: alternatively, scenario where there is a fix. some folks feel that they would profit from being - taller. in russia, they can fix this.
asciilifeform does not even remotely know the answer to this one, but can't rule out a beriberi-like gotcha
mircea_popescu: what if, ok. but i dun believe that has a leg to stand on.
ThickAsThieves: i think eating frequency is a factor as well, metabolism
ThickAsThieves: i rarely sleep more than 5 for a long time
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is a lot easier for women
asciilifeform: likewise, paid in scrip, but never need to wake up / go places / take orders - still a kind of escape.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if people who only sleep 3-5 hrs a day, live more or less waking hours than those sleeping 8+
asciilifeform: a few bullets from the guard towers lodged in arse.
The20YearIRCloud: It's a fixed rate credit line, which is nice as we can go out, buy properties, refinance said properties, then just continue to buy more
asciilifeform: sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep" >> they're struggling for escape from arbeit macht frei.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you ever met that blessed folk that will spent sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep", 5 dolla an hour ?
mircea_popescu: suppose shady gringo in the kabul market offers to sell you a dust which, if sparkled around, will teleport you straight into tent, no further need for "Wasting time"
mircea_popescu: suppose the normal introduction so you may be allowed there takes a coupla hours, going through all the complicated pashtun honor ceremonies.
mircea_popescu: he lives in a hut, like all the others, rural pashtun.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a well respected, honorful general of this one tribe
asciilifeform: quite a bit.
mircea_popescu: or maybe sleep is a very high level cognitive function, and humanity still struggles with logic.
ThickAsThieves: maybe humans have a built in hibernation function we dont know how to work yet
asciilifeform doesn't know the secret of the hypothetical, legendary 'motorized sleep.' but suspects that, just as eight cylinder engine is an improvement over the most skilled runner, there could be a means for improvement here.
mircea_popescu: but at this point, we suddenly face the danger of falling into nominalism. consider a pill that zaps 1&2 so you can 3-4 only, withj the caveat that to be used safe over a century, you have to lie down for two to three hours each day and relax independently of sleep.
thestringpuller: walking into bitcoin-assets becomes more like walking into a random lecutre hall at a good university...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that for me to disprove your stance, all i need is an example of possible failure, which i've satisfied. for you to support your stance giving a counterexample is not enough.
mircea_popescu: the human body being a final case of "the protocol is the code". it works like we've discussed, as this insane collection of things repaired by malfunction in unassociated things
mircea_popescu: now, having a period of time where it can relax and clean up may be exactly what it needs. even if this is enforced by cnc paralysis rather than another venue
mircea_popescu: the reason for this is that the heart can't do too many regime change cycles a day
mircea_popescu: the heart is a well designed pump, that works very well in its own engineering envelope.
mircea_popescu: it isn't. you're saying it's "a waste of time", a spandrel merely means "not directly resulting from selection"
asciilifeform: not that 'stage 1+2 is a spandrel' is a proven hypothesis, of course. merely that it has not been tested. i suspect that it can be proven.
mircea_popescu: and yes, you can login with nameserv from a webirc session as well as from any other session
nubbins`: mask on a web client?
mircea_popescu: (i also have a bet with some unfriendly parties as to whether that film' gonna be criminal insanity or not, but that's a different story)
mircea_popescu: im curious who's gonna be the first b-a alumn to become famous in an unrelated field.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop. /// a couple weeks ago i was charting for hours on end, using fib spirals and picking apart fractal patterns, and this repeating melody started in my head, not a song i knew, just a sequence. It was there for a day or two. First time I was musically inspired in a while.
nubbins`: and, inexplicably, an adult male having sex with a female child
nubbins`: (i know a guy who claims he's had a cube stuck inside his brain for ~17 years. he declines to elaborate)
mircea_popescu: it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop.
assbot: BLIT - a short story by David Langford
nubbins`: go visit a bughouse and tell me none of those people recreated the damagingly illogical :D
mircea_popescu: it's a biological protection on the level of "dead by holding his own breath", except implemented in nature rather than in the body.
mircea_popescu: anyway, one wonders what happens when a coupla gals working canada's best whorehouse move in with nubsy.
nubbins`: itself, a mixture of portuguese, english, and irish working dogs
nubbins`: besides, the aboriginal people in this province are generally innu; you'd have to go a lot farther for inuit
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol speaking tours. this is roughly the equivalent of the plague, don't envy a man his misery.
nubbins`: i'd like a gribble module that polls alf's output for interesting short stories
mircea_popescu: you wanna seal the deal by breaking a guy's legs ?
nubbins`: one of 'em just got a job at canada's top restaurant, which is, conveniently, just a short tumble down the hill from here
assbot: Popescu'd need not be a verb nor a discussion. All say aye.., say AYE!, "AYE!" | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: o hey, there's something for xmj https://bitcointa.lk/threads/popescud-need-not-be-a-verb-nor-a-discussion-all-say-aye-say-aye-aye.286274/
mircea_popescu: i think fluffypony was going to charter a plane or i dun remember how that went.
chetty: mircea_popescu, said there should be a gribble npc ...
RagnarDanneskjol: He and Alz had a long convo about it a few hours ago.. also put him in touch with chetty - discussed gribble for eulora
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol ima wait for delivery on that other thing first, and i have a queue there anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyone want to make a fork of git and implement all this ?
mircea_popescu: as a v0.1. then for v0.2 of this, have an actual crypto signed procedure where everyone who reads a line of code signs and it's wot-abble this.
mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: fluffypony afaik lcompat just does a gettimeofday clal anyway
xmj: BingoBoingo: you can *technically* exist on 2h of pure REM sleep a day.
mircea_popescu: to me all this "let's improve sleep" stuff reads a lot like "this cnc control code would be a lot better if we took out all sleep() references"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time. <<< why ?
xmj: if you're interested in having that question answered from a BSD perspective, you could try #bsdports on efnet
xmj: hrm, i'm not a c dev
fluffypony: xmj: so oaes_lib uses ftime() like a retard, and we don't have spare contributors to rewrite the two places its used to rather use gettimeofday - is there anything particularly wrong with using -lcompat for the moment till we can see to that?
cazalla: meh, smh is a rag
asciilifeform: kakobrekla, BingoBoingo: i remembered the american firm that made electrocranial something-or-others - 'alpha-stim.' but i never tried or even saw their gadget - and, a bit dubious, smells a little of spam.
asciilifeform: just a fellow a few thousand $ poorer and with episodic memory loss.
asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time.
asciilifeform: (helmholtz coil with plumbing for water - must actively cool - and a power source similar to what one might find in a large stroboscope.)
asciilifeform: at this point there's probably a 'for dummies'
kakobrekla: sounds like a beach read