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diana_coman: or hm, it relies on frequent
tags rather
than words so not quite reflecting
the content
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: come
to
think of it,
the "cloud of
tags" is
the closest
thing
to
the above in
that it changes indeed as content is added; I don't recall if it provides direct link
to articles but at least it reflects
the content as is
mircea_popescu: illogical, granted, but
to me
the expectation's obviouis
diana_coman: true;
though it does get added gradually anyway and
they don't really expect
to know upfront *everything*
that will be added
diana_coman: arguably
there are all
those projects (like perseus even, perhaps?) where
they worked precisely on "lots of digital content how
to make it digitally-useful" but I am not aware of something
that
translates directly
mircea_popescu: but personally, i'm waiting for billymg
to emerge, out of his current work. if nothing's clear by
then, we can hack. but before, no real benefit, all downsides.
mircea_popescu: and yes, we'll prolly have
to hack soemthing
togethet
to find
this out
mircea_popescu: in any case --
the part where categories are useless,
tags are where it's at, and
they must be recalc'd every article publish is clear.
the part where HOW
to calculate
them in
the first place,
that's unclear.
mircea_popescu: i suppose nobody wrote enough since
the dawn of
the digital age for
this need
to appear and be conceptualized
diana_coman: yes; and ofc
there isn't any such
thing or we'd have used it, no?
mircea_popescu: basically, each article's
tags' lease on life is "until another article is published".
diana_coman: and yes,
tags change as knowledge accumulates
mircea_popescu: well,
there's no system
that currently does
this, recalculates
the whole cloud
tag and each article's
tags on each new article published
diana_coman: by writing
that article I add
to
the knowledge my blog reflects i.e.
to my public knowledge if you prefer
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i mean,
that by your writing article 19,
the
tags of article 2 change
mircea_popescu: that's why nobody has a working system : 1. any meaningful interpretation of "categories" reduces
to "tags", so even
though implementations give "the choice" it is a dud choice ; and 2. any meaningful implementation of
tags requires
they change with
the blog, whereas every implementation presumes
to enter
them at
the
time of publishing (which coincidentally but harmfully overlaps with
the "don't alter history" imperative)
diana_coman: they do, as
they reflect
the material put in; but I don't see a problem with a
third person deciding
to categorize
trilema with whatever
tags
they
think greatest and provide
the resulting
tags + links as
their view of it, what
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I agree re categories and
tags; fwiw I also
think
that
tags should reflect
the material as it was put in; basically if one wants
to categorize content differently,
then
they can make
their own manual/automated/mixed/whatever
tagger and apply it, providing
their own view of
the content
mircea_popescu: search words are "i know
the searcher but not
the material, here's soem clues' whereas
tags are "i know
the material but not
the seacher, here's some clues"
mircea_popescu: however you
turn
this matter around, yes categories make no sense, if you wanted super-titles you'd do chapters. and
tags ONLY make sense as
the converse
to search
terms, "here's
the words you might wish
to search
trilema for"
mircea_popescu: eg
the
trilema article i quoted above : i had fully forgotten about. not in
the sense
that i don't recognize it when i see it, i do, but in
the sense
that when i penned
http://trilema.com/2019/black-or-white-the-day-of-saturday/ which needed it, i did recall
to put it in. i've meanwhile corrected
this and added
the link, but i am certain
there's
THOUSANDS of such "actually mp,
the item you'd link here is
this" "oh shit you
mircea_popescu: this augments
the ai with human mind, but
then again also limits it -- you won't find what you didn't put in.
mircea_popescu: another approach is
to just generate
the list of most common words on
trilema, pick
the best ones, and
tag with
them all
the articles
that contain
them
diana_coman: I would start with something rather simple indeed; and review it, initially it's really a sort of learning wtf in
there because I have no idea atm how useful
the
tags produced would be
mircea_popescu: on
the other hand, something complex, involving linkage and actual attempts at "ai" sesne-making... well
mircea_popescu: on one hand, something simple like "tag each article with
the 12 most frequently occuring live words over 3 characters long ; keep a central list of "dead" words
that occur in more
than x% of articles, re-tag all articles
tagged with one of
the words
there"
diana_coman: the exact approach/algo is
the iffy bit re
tags but probably won't be able
to just come up with it directly working great
mircea_popescu: i confess among
the papers on my desk
there's some various aproaches at word-distance and otherwise auto-tagging
diana_coman: tbh with categories also I start wondering if it's working at all or in fact it's still
tags more useful anyway, without
the pretense of neat and strict classification
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I do; and a few other bits
that are on
the list
to change but on which I kept
thinking "there will be a mp-wp
theme" and
then can
tweak; hm, who was it, billymg ?
mircea_popescu: btw, don't you find
the
titles-only style for archives / categories better ?
diana_coman: aha; but atm at least I can't seem
to find it either, sadly
diana_coman: hm, I *do* remember
the idea but not having properly ranted on it (granted, I
tend
to forget it if I have a good rant over it, lol)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, srlsy ?
the core of
the argument was
that google lists a supposed number of results, in
the bns, but it never disgorges any significant count
mircea_popescu: where you were ranting about how it sucks, doesn't even give 5 of its claimed 5bn results, what reason could anyone have
to believe
the count
spyked bbl,
teh cotton fields calling
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 12:19:27 asciilifeform: imho would be 9000x better
to simply steal
the
technique and port
to e.g. cmucl .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 23:59:49
trinque: if I'm going
to bolt znc
to it, what point has a lisp bot?
mircea_popescu: make yourself a spyked-genesises-stolen-crap sig, use
that.
mircea_popescu: nto v infrastructure, and
to use non-main keys for
this.
mircea_popescu: this understanding is current as of cca 2016. meanwhile we agreed
that because a) it is preferrable
to work with republican rather
than imperial items and
to prevent more imperial seepage
than needed ; and because b)
there's no limit
to signature count as per long standing observations and discussions (with a very early asciilifeform cca 2013 maybe)
then
therefore
the correct approach is
to sign
things early,
to get
them i
spyked: mircea_popescu, as I understand
the meaning of signature is "I understand how
this
thing works". if I sign it before reviewing it,
there's nothing
to show re. my understanding. am I getting
this wrong?
mircea_popescu: somebody decides
to spend some
time
towards reviewing. what do
they do next ?
mircea_popescu: why first ?
think you about it, how is
the review supposed
to work ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:38:59
trinque: more broadly,
the question isn't so much what I could do with whatever IRC bot, it's what
the hell should motivate me
to sink more
time into shit caked atop
the
thing I wish
to see end.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem wiht ideas is
that
they're not patches.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 13:36:19 spyked: ^ ftr,
this is an instance of ircbot sans
the "pinger"
thread and handling pings coming from
the server. seems
to be working fine (tho, in all fairness, so does feedbot for now)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11
trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but
the idea is
that "let whoever signed
the genesis evaluate your patches, rather
than do it for
them
through
the venue of keeping
them phf'd"
spyked: mircea_popescu,
that might be. also, my verbose style of writing reports dun help any
spyked: also runs on ircbot, it *could* conceivably suffer from
the same issue.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:25:26
trinque: wtf lol, how would
the bot spend a lot of
time in
the notification mechanism?
mircea_popescu: spyked, i'm starting
to suspect, incidentally,
that no cheekiness is involved, he simply never saw either instance, does something like
two hours/week keeping
track of
things, and if
that week has 25 hours' worth of logs and developments, well, gets 8%. hey
trinque, are you current with
the logs ? how descriptive is
that model /
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 00:00:09
trinque:
they have python ones
that don't need any such prosthetic
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 23:59:49
trinque: if I'm going
to bolt znc
to it, what point has a lisp bot?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 22:40:51 asciilifeform:
trinque: from
the (very fragmentary) clues , seems
to me
that fella was demoralized somehow, for long
time ( and possibly into bottle,
tho
tbf nothing specifically pointed
to bottle )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:49:13
trinque: fuck me, drop
the pretense and get on facebook messenger or w/e
the kids use and be done with it
mircea_popescu: i don't intend
to negrate him, as
things stand, so you're more
than welcome
to explore wonderful world detailed in
the further paragraphs of
that comment.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:51:18
trinque: bringing
things in closer, apparently phf's in
the hospital or something, and is
thus persona non grata?
mircea_popescu: "Needless
to say, I am unamused ; and,
to answer
the
original inquiry in firmer
terms containing no ifs or buts : no, I personally have no further interest in hearing what phf may have
to say on any
topic.
The
time for "ok
then, I will get my logger
to spec by X date and hope
to have my blog up by Y date" came and went, sometime yesterday.
spyked: but decided
to answer your q first I was here and prolly keeping you waiting would be frustrating
spyked: mircea_popescu, I was processing logz myself at
this very moment, lol :D
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-25 03:30:20 spyked:
trinque, could you pl0x share
the ircbot auto-reconnect code
that you're
testing? I wanna give it a spin myself and give some
time
to ironing out whatever problems I might find.
spyked: mircea_popescu,
tbh I find
that
to be a particularly cheeky question, since I asked him
the same on
more than
one occasion and was greeted with silence.
mircea_popescu: including an answer for
trinque, as
to, where's his patch. aite.
spyked: mircea_popescu, yes, sorry for
the confusion.
the plan is
to: post hunchentoot ep. 6
today, as per plan; and as september begins, post
the plan for next month, which should include all
the new
things I'm working on (code, reviews of code, whatever arises in
the meanwhile)