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mircea_popescu: i mean, just a certain tone is enough, subtle subjective positioning is enough
mircea_popescu: there's a long and growing list of things you can do to a text to make it completely inaccessibl for the "right thinking" person.
mircea_popescu: this teflon phenomenon is a lot deeper.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's more to this than just that. i've had an intern puit a bunch of trilema articles in reddit, across dozens of different subreddits. NONE stick. they're all "wrong", then the complainants get laughed out, then the matter dies.
ThickAsThieves: i like that the putin drawing is a scanned bar napkin or sumth
asciilifeform: one of the more 'high tech' and interesting 'state media' tricks is to spray on a coating of 'conspiratorial Teflon' to an otherwise genuine piece of dirt
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bantustan | Literally: The Ghetto, the Worst of Urban Decay, the hardest of the hard hood. A bantustan (also known as black African homeland or simply homeland...
mircea_popescu: it's not their cunt asking for a tending that's driving the giggling behaviour.
mircea_popescu: time to split, unless you somehow discover some passion for one side or the other and a desire to go to shooting practice.
asciilifeform: ask the conspirators to quit conspiring. that'd have a chance of fixing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what next, a pope that doesn't lie?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude imagine for the sake of science fiction, a putin that didn't lie. like, ever. he'd be spotless like warm milk foam.
xmj: I'm glad I'm living in a country who has a couple of german tornados stationed in it
jurov: slovakia is mentioned there for a reason
mircea_popescu: lemme model this. suppose we go out for a picnic, and suppose we're there with some girls, and suppose a cow comes and shits in our cornmeal pot. and suppose one of the girls goes "oh my!"
mircea_popescu: but it's not what i said. i merely remarked on a particular mental complex, wherein the western agitprop calls things they don't like and can't derride "inexistent" a certain way
jurov: i indeed have a hard time with your insistence that everything out there is an overactive imagination of western journos
mircea_popescu: but yes it does exist : the eu state will, under a multitude of pretexts, steal children.
mircea_popescu: jurov you'll have a hard time wiht it.
asciilifeform: 'prior to Americans' gay rights agitation, Russian gays used to be called “faggots”; now they are being called “American faggots,” and gay rights in Russia have taken a giant leap back.' - orlov
mircea_popescu: that grain is a grain in my eye.
jurov: takes a grain of EU social care taking children
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usa is just a colony.
jurov: such as, EU supposedly enforcing a "juvenile justice"
mircea_popescu: well, being a 3rd world shithole is pretty bad, but not knowing it is arguably worse.
asciilifeform: http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/09/police-seizure-black-asphalt-network << apparently, 'asphalt' sells subscription to a db of who is best to plunder and where to find them.
mircea_popescu: I got a receipt and an affidavit indicating the amount seized and why. I petitioned the court for the return of my money and the court denied me saying that possession of that much cash constituted probable cause of drug activity and that I should be happy not to be in jail for drugs."
mircea_popescu: I got pulled over in Nebraska and when I was getting my license out of my wallet the officer saw a $100 bill in there and ended up confiscating the $400 I had on me as suspected drug money without ever arresting me or even charging me with a crime.
mircea_popescu: "When I go on a road trip I always carry enough cash to buy gas to get to my destination should my credit card stop working.
asciilifeform: https://blackasphalt.org << they have a site, yes.
asciilifeform: 'It involves a nationwide network of enforcement agencies (except in the few states that have banned it) that operates with the help of a vast private intelligence service called “Black Asphalt”'
mircea_popescu: The CBC is warning Canadians about a U.S. program where America law enforcement officers — from federal agents to state troopers right down to sheriffs in one-street backwaters — are operating a vast, co-ordinated scheme to grab as much of the public's cash as they can through seizure laws.
mircea_popescu: and if you use it like a dump in your general course of business, you're prolly fucking yourself over and not even realise it.
mircea_popescu: email is not a dump.
mircea_popescu: i do it all the time. "he's x y z looking to k". not really that big a deal.
asciilifeform: serbia's mouth is a little too full of nato cock
mircea_popescu: "Citing security concerns, a Utah federal judge is refusing to release courthouse surveillance footage that captured a US marshal killing a defendant during a gang-related trial.
mircea_popescu: Around 60 percent of Bitcoin trading is against the Chinese yuan, 32 percent is against the dollar and 3 percent against the euro, the BoE said. /// see what wahsing does << "we read something on a tripod homepage and now believe this is the world"
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2014 05:21:05; asciilifeform: idea was, you send, e.g. some btc to addr A, in n parcels. low bits of the parcels encode, e.g. an ltc address. to which the corresponding amount of ltc is then sent.
gribble: #21426 Thu Sep 11 13:50:24 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 Radiohead autographed band photo @ 0 BTC (Signed by all members. PM offers. Includes original packaging & letter from W.A.S.T.E.)
ThickAsThieves: i was a real cool kid obv
BingoBoingo: Stamps, mostly being a tool for money transmission
nubbins`: i've got bobby hull's autograph on a vuarnet t-shirt!!
ThickAsThieves: i think i have a brett hull rookie
nubbins`: found a box of old hockey cards a couple weeks ago
ThickAsThieves: hey i was a big fan
ThickAsThieves: after a while, no one gives a shit about Bo jackson
ThickAsThieves: when i was a kid, the elder generation thought baseball cards were good investments
ThickAsThieves: "A significant risk to digital currencies' sustained use (is) that they will not be able to compete on cost without degenerating ... to a monopoly miner, thereby ... exposing them to risk of system-wide fraud," the BoE said.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/11/us-britain-boe-bitcoin-idUSKBN0H61ID20140911 funny i read the BoE thing and got a positive impression
asciilifeform: what you do << 'what do you do when a shell lands in your trench? jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose you run a casino, and i come and play with a dollar.
asciilifeform: same as the ancient question 'why does god need a starship'
mircea_popescu: i suppose satoshi dice too, in a marginal sorta sense "either you sold at a profit or held for no loss" sorta thing
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the end one can count the poroductive btc investments on a hand
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: a 25btc coin selling for 10btc? :0
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves afaik there's a liquidity bot, and im sure you can get better leverage elsewhere.
nubbins`: probably the wrong crowd around for this, but any interest in a 2012-funded 25btc casascius coin w/ pgp docs?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: usd is a 'tar baby'
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i won't without a submissive government, and then it'd be btc/that fiat.
ThickAsThieves: i watched these new chinese futures a lil and its basically being traded like btc, no real future sentiment at all
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and even without the major incentive of gaming a large options operation
mircea_popescu: as to trusted humans, read up on fixing, as a pricing procedure. it's been explained in the logs a year ago, too
mircea_popescu: the problem of trust is a very long and sensitive chain. creating a 99% functional chain still doesn't create a functional chain.
mircea_popescu: idiots losing their btc ohldings is a net plus for society.
kolinko: or letting trusted humans solve the issue? or a requierement for both parties to figure out the agreement?
kolinko: a failsafe rule for removal that one exchange from the computation?
mike_c: and what do you do when the biggest exchange goes apeshit and has a price that is 50% different than the others for weeks?
kolinko: thick: but isn't that a matter of a better averaging algorithm construction? e.g. if one of the exchanges is far away, we're suspending the feed until situation resolves (would obviously need to be more elaborate)
asciilifeform: your isp also may succumb to temptation to nudge a decimal.
kolinko: quick question re: trusted data feeds. is the problem generally in the api/site potentially getting hacked, or the algorithm for a computation of one being suspectible to manipulation? what's the problem with deciding that the btc/usd price is an average of btc-e, bitstamp & kraken, each adjusted for volume?
ThickAsThieves: and then the Bitfunder thing is still a total mystery
ThickAsThieves: i never intended to hold the bonds long term, it was just a risky trade. btct closed while in the process of selling em off...
assbot: [BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE.B1 - a virtual corporate bond with a 22% fixed-fiat APR
ThickAsThieves: get this: "CM was described as a "virtual company” by LTC-Global (and accordingly referred to as such in the CM Business Plan). However, as a matter of English law, CM may be considered a general partnership. If that is the case, then the 'shareholders' of CM - which includes yourself - would all be considered partners. As partners, they would all be jointly and severally liable for
asciilifeform: '"MAGNETS! Wrap your disks up in a pillow case with lots of magnets - Solar Flares hate that." "Wow! Thanks."'
mircea_popescu: fun fact : living in argentina confers a lot of immunity to flares :D
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy. /// glad to see you say so, it's a point often missed in many circumstances. for example, some want to paint USG as a hyper conspiracy and assume all its evil/scammy actions are fully intentional. More likely, it just evolved to be a broken shit in all corners of its
mircea_popescu: dude i had forgotten what a nice ass penny ford has
assbot: A Whirlwind Tutorial on Creating Really Teensy ELF Executables for Linux
mats_cd03: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html and http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/rsa.html worth a read
mod6: discussion is good, reading ~900 days of logs is probably a pre-requisite
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 he has a point, look at all the great discussion he caused.
mats_cd03: main character, an old fuck named Nucky, says to a useless subordinate
mats_cd03: not to be a douchebag, or anything, kolinko, but i am reminded of this American serial Boardwalk Empire
mircea_popescu: well gavin doesn't enjoy much of a reputation for a thinker around here, but let's see.
kolinko: (a proof by authority: yay! )
kolinko: did you read a piece by Gavin on bit-thereum? http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2014/06/bit-thereum.html - he's arguing for a similar thing
mircea_popescu: kolinko you're so far making a system that's too hard not to laugh at.
kolinko: it's not about creating a system that's impossible to cheat, it's about creating a system that's too hard to cheat
mircea_popescu: he knows how to make a small fortune out of things, provided he has a large one to start with.
mircea_popescu: could that nut with virgin be part of it too ? he is a businessman, after a fashion.
mircea_popescu: no this is starting to sound better and better. i hope they make a mars lander.
mircea_popescu: yeah, a system with charles and barney frank.
mircea_popescu: after all, he recently wrote a mega-piece of us trollery didn't he.
mircea_popescu: well i guess mpoe-pr was a hero... member.
kolinko: no trust in the central authority / list creator. you'd see some folks with a high WoT rating, some bitcointalk hero members, some known businesspeople, and of course 8 of them would be us senators.
mats_cd03: unless i have a handler that knows where they live, who their friends are, where their assets are kept, trusting that many individuals seems a tricky proposition. trusting just one is hard enough
mircea_popescu: code in such a way you won't be ashamed to show what you've written to your kids or the woman that may potentially carry them.
kolinko: if you have 100 nobody will be bother to independently verify the list. 5 is too few. also, 15 is a technical limit - the max number of sigs for bitcoin multisig wallet is 15