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mod6: thanks for doing all this work diana_coman, I appreciate it. it's long over do for a v'ing. :]

mod6: <+diana_coman> mod6, I meant out of date wrt to my vpatch i.e. keccak hashes << ahh, gotcha

diana_coman: anyway, if anyone wants to maintain the full & detailed manual, I will happily sign their .vpatch with it,sure

diana_coman: onth I kept the quick guide and updated it to point users to a. use the bloody help of V as it's quite useful as it is! b. ask if they get stuck, wtf

diana_coman: if you notice, I said out of date at 3rd vpatch, NOT before; and yes, 2nd vpatch includes them precisely because they are at that point still perfectly fine

diana_coman: mod6, I meant out of date wrt to my vpatch i.e. keccak hashes

mod6: Anyway, *nod* looks good. I'll try to test it one of these days when I have a spare minute.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 10:54 diana_coman: and done: the updated .vpatch files and starter_v.zip + sigs are all up; I've checked them on my RK; genesis is the same and result is identical to V-2017; the result of 99993 .vpatch is identical to V-2018; the result of keccak_vtools vpatch is to update BOTH docs and code; re docs, I've nuked the user manual as I won't maintain it and it's becoming confusing due to being out of date; I've updated the quick_guide however, mainly for 1st t

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872191 << Totall get it that you don't want to maintain the user docs, I do disagree that they were are out date tho. I did a diff between them from the 99994K and 99993K versions and I did update it for the Feb release. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 08:05 diana_coman: mod6, I don't see any comment from you on my blog, what happened? (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872143 )

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872187 << no worries, I tried to post a comment on your blog post from the train, it may have not went through. ☝︎

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872182 << Ahhh! I see what you did there. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i meant diana_coman ah i see, you redid the whole tree, that was a patch.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh i see, you redid the whole tree, that was a patch

asciilifeform: i think just his bigendian vs littlendian speshulcases (why he has any?! ffa doesn't..! ) weigh moar than all of ffa together

asciilifeform: i am impressed with the sheer volume of liquishit

diana_coman: and done: the updated .vpatch files and starter_v.zip + sigs are all up; I've checked them on my RK; genesis is the same and result is identical to V-2017; the result of 99993 .vpatch is identical to V-2018; the result of keccak_vtools vpatch is to update BOTH docs and code; re docs, I've nuked the user manual as I won't maintain it and it's becoming confusing due to being out of date; I've updated the quick_guide however, mainly for 1st t ☟︎

diana_coman: so to keep this fully aligned, I'll regrind the last 2 patches so that the docs changes are carried over as well; as a result: genesis = http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz; 1st patch => http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz; 2nd patch => using vtools & keccak instead of sha

a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 00:20 mod6: 2) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1872126 << diana_coman I tried to leave you a note on your blog. But seems that you've based the genesis off of my vtron version 99994K, but there is a newer version: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz.mod6.sig Which is denoted as version 99993K.

diana_coman: mod6, I don't see any comment from you on my blog, what happened? (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872143 ) ☝︎☟︎

diana_coman: if anything, I suppose I could have gotten the genesis with an earlier version

diana_coman: fwiw the keccak-version of v (i.e. pressing the tree I published all the way to its leaf) IS the corrected one re pressing order ; later today I'll do a diff with precisely the versions mod6 has at http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/ but going by version number I really don't see what "old version" are you saying

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872169 -> as ^ ; now I'm not sure if anyone actually look at the 2nd vpatch and hence it really is an old version that's there or just got hang up on the fact that I kept to preserve some history and hence genesis+vpatch to version 3 ☝︎

diana_coman: mod6, I've put the vpatch, neh?

BingoBoingo: Anyways: Blog update - I think I've found a Rockchip friendlier mysql config. Not expanding to eat all the RAM at the moment. Compiling the rest of the moving parts.

mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/ << i suppose looking there would have made it obvious (check it out btw, 20th feb 2016, july 207, 22nd feb 2018!) ; but

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1872093 << i utterly don't understand this "stealing" mindset. http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-13#307975 ☝︎☝︎

mod6: I suspect so, ya.

mod6: Anyway, just thought I'd say. o7

mod6: 2) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1872126 << diana_coman I tried to leave you a note on your blog. But seems that you've based the genesis off of my vtron version 99994K, but there is a newer version: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz.mod6.sig Which is denoted as version 99993K. ☝︎☟︎

diana_coman: or symlink I suppose, whatever rocks your boat

asciilifeform: diana_coman: vk.pl doesn't find the vpatch executable in the current dir ( this is not hard to fix tho, i'ma fix )

diana_coman: I've tested it quickly on my Rockchip itself and I couldn't spot any trouble, but let me know if you find any problems with it

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 21:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1872052 << i'ma hold off on posting http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871779 item , then, so that i can link to diana_coman's vtron

asciilifeform: '20 phunphakts didja know on reddit! there was a mad d00d, tried to write a working os, despite not working at microshit or even having codeofconduct..' i picture.

asciilifeform: 'safely dead', so i guess makes sense, turned into harmless lolcat.

asciilifeform: i could prolly get it to run on something or other, i think i still have old 'matrox' somewhere, if we ever come to where we want this.

asciilifeform: so i had old link.

phf: right, i think i maxed out the memory and the drive sometime in the mid 2000s, but otherwise it was "gorbushka" stock

phf: i had a 300mhz amd that i brought from russia when i moved here in the 90s, but it finally gave out couple of years ago. i suspect booting templeos was one of the last things i did with it..

asciilifeform: i never achieved this feat

phf: asciilifeform: i've booted templeos on a real hardware

asciilifeform: hm, apparently i linked to him , back in the old days, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=36

asciilifeform: ( i guess he liked to play 'anagram' and lose letters.. )

BingoBoingo: I thought it was several times

asciilifeform: hey edgar poe barfed to death on park bench in bmore, i've been to what claimed to be this very same holy spot.

BingoBoingo: I took days of rumouring before the locals figured out Honored Uncle Terry's death was newsworth

asciilifeform: ( i half-suspect he's dead, for some reason )

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 16:44 asciilifeform: even on asciilifeform's home planet, good chunk of marriages were 'soft-arranged' -- i.e. 'comrade colonel, you have a bachelor son, i have a ripe daughter' 'comrade lt colonel, let's box'em in a room, wainot'

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 14:41 asciilifeform: i expect to post the reground ch1-11 today; folx who read whichever chapters, will be invited to send in seals

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1872052 << i'ma hold off on posting http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871779 item , then, so that i can link to diana_coman's vtron ☝︎☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( i did read it, was pretty interesting read imho )

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 14:44 asciilifeform: possible exception is esthlos, but i have not tested his item yet

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 08:10 diana_coman: fwiw I actually patched v.pl to use phf's vtools and it works absolutely fine; I guess I'll write-it up and publish the whole thing later today if nobody else does it

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 14:43 phf: asciilifeform: i've posted a v.pl patch http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867871 ( archived http://archive.is/ZJUMM ), unfortunately since v.pl doesn't have its own vtree, doing it properly requires a bunch of extra work

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: near as i can tell, they ~were~ the prussia

a111: Logged on 2015-06-12 14:54 mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safe

a111: Logged on 2018-04-18 20:08 spyked: LordMPofTMSR, I had no idea. and looking for mihaita dragomirescu, all I found was news items a la http://archive.is/ojKnE and other cancans. if ye know for a fact this is not made-up scandal, then I believe, but otherwise... eh.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunno whether the shoe fits tho, afaik china is very much a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871815 kind of affair ☝︎

mircea_popescu: well, apparently i can't find it anymore. is line in log somewhere, "if you understand, like ro girls understood in the 90s, that your cunt does not belong to you, the place will stay cool for slightly longer" or somesuch.

asciilifeform: i suppose it began with the untimely death of their apex predator, jp

mircea_popescu: how. i'll tell you fucking how.

asciilifeform: i haven't the faintest idea re just how the yellow hieroglyph folx pulled it off. but apparently they did.

mircea_popescu: the item i present would be improvement, and the costs for the improvement are externalised (ie, not borne by they benefitting)

asciilifeform: in so far as i can tell with naked eye, 'the war' 1) already happened 2) china won 3) at ~0 cost, in the trad chinese style

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if history's any guide, chinese dun like white devils enuff to actually leave'em alive and use for cotton-pick. i see straight glassing as moar likely

mircea_popescu: and i don't mean, "stop feeding", i mean chinese troops marching in new york, tearing down statue of liberty to replace with huge penis, and forcing everyone to do by-hand electronics picking for the rest of their miserable woirtheless lives.

asciilifeform: ( i think of chicago as a kind of massive open air бомжатник , from own experiences there )

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says -- i believe

asciilifeform: what i can't wrap my head around is why nobody's mass-produced a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871212 and put an end to the whole 'digital evidence' 'rule of law' pretense circus ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i fucking hope there's a war already.

asciilifeform: and i'll add that the name 'intel format' for the SANE asm syntax, is misnomer -- i had an assembler for e.g. c64, that ate an' shat sane form, and no intel was involved in any shape

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871767 << i can see it. ☝︎

asciilifeform: btw ave1 i'm pretty sure i recall that gnat knows how to eat godly asm syntax instead of %%%%%%%%%'gas'liquishit

asciilifeform: but i see the point

asciilifeform: i'd naively think that the iron drill would be quite exciting find for current-day carpenter

asciilifeform: i recall thread with BingoBoingo re old iron electric drill. i see'em at flea markets routinely, nobody buys, and then the idjits go to 'home despot' shop and load up on chinesium that breaks in half after 17 uses

mircea_popescu: i visited this jewish doctor here, and he looked at my retinas, with this old set he had. i asked him how old it is, and he said "maybe thirty years". "yeah, thirty years counting from the 90s ?"

mircea_popescu: "fuck you, i'll burn your fambly in da vinci's oven to heat him while he draws another"

mircea_popescu: the problem of art is that the freehand line is the hardest thing i nthe world. put pen to paper, and draw it, and see.

mircea_popescu: nfi, but i'm not even discussing that. i am discussing THE LINE

mircea_popescu: i'd rather have bayernische body hammered back into an approximation of its original, genotypic shape, than mexican body as its mom made it.

mircea_popescu: because i get it, toyota "new from factory", but it's a stupid fucking factory i want little do to with.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. this is the fucking problem, if faced with the choice of the crashed bmw or the new toyota i'd still buy and fix the crashed bmw.

mircea_popescu: (and this, for the record, is also why i think very little of eg pete_dushenski's private committments : http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/#selection-37.0-37.32 female misbehaviour exists ~specifically~ and strictly and only because they're covering up for this fundamental "between boys and walls daddy chose walls, don't upset him".

mircea_popescu: i and my slaves might laugh at stupid local girlies, "20 in her mom's tow" and at stupid 50yos who are trying to ~now~ be slutty, as if time somehow waited for them to take the 35 years they "needed" to achieve 35 months' worth of intellectual maturation. but as troglodyte as http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-423.0-423.517 readily marks all of latino morons in the eyes of any euro whore i ever kne

asciilifeform: i guess could rewrite the eqn into the q of whether people are actually smarter than prikoke the pig, or no

mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i mean

asciilifeform: 'city' seems to inescapably produce huge qty of such 'fouling'. i find interesting the q of what is 'carnot efficiency' of city, what if anyffing worx to keep down the waste product ( of the most toxic type -- bipedal )

asciilifeform: i suspect that a good chunk of the 'organizational win' from cityism can be cut away from the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871872 , to interesting result ☝︎

asciilifeform: i suspect - if it exists - you'd need a quite long drill to get to it

asciilifeform: i do suspect that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871847 was 'admiration from a distance' rather than factual tho. sorta like marie antoinette's milkmaid career. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: but it wasn't proposed he's "typical" or "normal" or in any way reduce his person to some kind of http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/#selection-87.551-87.706 falsity. when i call my slave "a slave" i do not by any possible read propose that "she has some kind of slave nature" like nail polish or something.

mircea_popescu: your whole argument is essentially seinfeld's "oh, my parents having sex... i dunno... i haven't seen it... as far as i know they could maybe be just really, REALLY good friends!"

mircea_popescu: diogenes pushed his tub, cincinnatus ploughed his field, i... i dunno, took weird pictures of myself put them on trilema.

mircea_popescu: i dunno what yo umean by quasi. am i quasi-mythical figure ?

mircea_popescu: no, i believe the story is factual. man was out ploughing, with own two hands, senate legati came to talk to him, asked him to go put his toga on.

asciilifeform: i'll admit that i credit 'cincinnatus plowing with own 2 hands' approx as much as i credit king arthur

asciilifeform: as i understand , stupidity is occupational hazard of agro-anyffing, and percolates insidiously , like gamma ray