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asciilifeform: everybody pays with fiat
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: as does anybody who does a 'crazy' thing for which the market is ultra-thin
asciilifeform: so i pay a 'weirdo tax'
asciilifeform: because individual renting house is almost entirely unheard of
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. this contributes to the scarcity of the overall market
asciilifeform: nubbins`: scarce rental market thing << you don't know half of it. virtually unheard of to rent a house here, other than by gigantic groups of immigrants or students living like sardines in can
asciilifeform: punkman: i ain't breathing vacuum
asciilifeform: punkman: if i had an income denominated in btc, sure
asciilifeform: self-fulfilling-loop involving prices
asciilifeform: funnily enough, mostly bolivia, salvador, argentina folks here.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: closer to university of md.
asciilifeform does not live in the city limits
asciilifeform: well, not here
asciilifeform: more like the festering hell in 'hellraiser' than the traditional one
asciilifeform: nubbins`: literally 20 min. away from the classical nsa
asciilifeform: very 'fun'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol
asciilifeform: nubbins`: wash., d.c. region; usa.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has it
asciilifeform: as for the inevitable question of what i must be smoking to have done this at all - it's a consequence of the geography in which i'm trapped (a handful of houses advertised for rent in my price range at any given moment - if that; the most tilted 'seller's market' one could imagine)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail
asciilifeform: decimation: see the clincher ?
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. then usg also has receipt
asciilifeform: decimation: as in, ability to prove that you paid
asciilifeform: decimation: i can believe this. but then you lose what small protection was provided by the fiat wot
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but to imply that everyone who is not in your position is necessarily a spendthrift who would be a winner but for the 'fatlogic' - is disingenuous
asciilifeform: nubbins`: neat
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i pay ~700 usd/mo just for some distant approximation of that
asciilifeform: canuckistan ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol! 6k would not even pay the tax on such a thing here.
asciilifeform: 6k/yr probably buys you a harem in, e.g., zimbabwe
asciilifeform: depends where 6k
asciilifeform: a few seconds here and there are enough
asciilifeform: nubbins`: now that part's very easy, you don't need blocks of time to dick on irc
asciilifeform: the most costly piece of equipment is time.
asciilifeform: and fiat income
asciilifeform: nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this requires something to save and some waste to cut
asciilifeform: but nubbins` is implying that rocket is unnecessary if iron will
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here
asciilifeform: ^ zero information here
asciilifeform: nubbins`: sure, but -what kind- of tears
asciilifeform , ben_vulpes, et al: ???
asciilifeform: glutton: 'eat 1/10th, take up hard training'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: why dontcha try telling us condemned fools the equivalent
asciilifeform: nubbins`: analogy fall apart easily enough if nudged: you can readily tell the glutton what he would have to do if he were to seize hold of himself and climb out of his fat with iron will
asciilifeform: it is also a good approach because it forces all the crud to be expunged with hot iron
asciilifeform: this is SOP on very cheap routers with minimal, low-endurance eeprom
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026169 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026168 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build.
asciilifeform: cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes [and rest of that thread] << if it makes ya feel better - far worse in usa. i, for instance, know for a fact that i will never own any lands here.
asciilifeform: with teleporter ?
asciilifeform: he'd have to live for ten thousand years in the jar to make so much as a visible mark in the glass.
asciilifeform: the mouse is a perfect analogy here, because his efforts at glass-breaking are not in any way cumulative
asciilifeform: or to tell him that in the garden shed where his jar stands, in a toolchest there is a glass-cutter.
asciilifeform: but to tell mouse that there is no glass, and it is only a figment of his perceptions, is an odd thing imho
asciilifeform is one of the numerous mice on parade here in #b-a who go 'thchwack' against the glass daily
asciilifeform: if it costs 100k to be let out of asylum and not have the thorazine injected daily, should we still think of the sanity in the usual sense of the word ?
asciilifeform: what'd be the 'sanity' ?
asciilifeform: how physically feasible something is, must be included
asciilifeform: hence the difference
asciilifeform: see, linux is free if you had the upbringing, but 100k might as well be 100kg of plutonium as far as i'm concerned
asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd
asciilifeform: afraid not
asciilifeform: hmm?
asciilifeform: except that linux is free (yeah, aha, 'if your time has no value' - well guess what, mine - didn't - as a student)
asciilifeform: need the infrastructure
asciilifeform: this is a 'must be this tall to play' affair, as described above
asciilifeform: (while debt slavery - is)
asciilifeform: on account of rent not being a tax-deductible item in usa
asciilifeform: for instance, i pay ~1.5x - 2x per sq. metre of housing than my colleagues
asciilifeform: millions do the latter << heavily subsidized by usg
asciilifeform: but everyone already knew that the problem, after a certain scale, is solvable
asciilifeform: granted.
asciilifeform: what if you only have 10.
asciilifeform: suddenly it costs $100k to move $100k
asciilifeform: or getting on lists
asciilifeform: 'get rid of' in the sense of 'make use of without giving half of it to usg'
asciilifeform: in that 'usg knows you had $xxxx that day in your pocket'
asciilifeform: or sending a wire
asciilifeform: then same as cutting a cheque
asciilifeform: as was meant to
asciilifeform: so that defeats the purpose of the exercise of using cash.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you probably knew this, but large (how large is 'large' varies based on the day's 'terrorism thermometer') cash tx in u.s. banks require id and are reported
asciilifeform: on account of weight class
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every problem is a triviality to folks who can't even conceive of having it
asciilifeform: *ethnomafia
asciilifeform: but neither applies
asciilifeform: it works if we were both, say, italians, where 'it isn't done', or if i were part of an ethonmafia that will cause him problems in the event of raw deal
asciilifeform: then what
asciilifeform: that is, say i had landlord who is paid in cash, and he decides that months's bag of money 'never happend'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: goes deeper than my superficial explanation suggests. i was really on about the difficulty of 'bitcoinizing' fundamentally fiat-wot-based business arrangements
asciilifeform: let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ?
asciilifeform: can do this at bank ?