asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by and large, nothing interesting (not even new poison!) happens if you mutate at random.

asciilifeform: !b 7 ✂︎

asciilifeform: battery and a capacitor << mircea_popescu has it

asciilifeform: disposable camera into a single-use taser << why single use. charge cap again, again. who here -hasn't- done this?!

asciilifeform: at least jail's free (for now)

asciilifeform: most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey << workin' on that

asciilifeform: ^ that looks industrial

asciilifeform: l0l!

asciilifeform: with arbitrary whatever in ramdisk.

asciilifeform: netbsd on pogo.

asciilifeform: in other news,

asciilifeform: fluffypony: the pill against coinbase is precisely the same as the one against apple: 'don't do it'

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: last time was in the 2.4 - 2.6 transition, really

asciilifeform: but how often linus commands 'shit'

asciilifeform: the 'centrally imposed' i was speaking of was the 'apple says -shit-, devs answer -what colour-' one

asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. fluffypony, it appears, is sitting in barrack where what-happens-in-apple-os-matters. i'm in one where they use weird zimbabwe money. etc. but being in jail doesn't mean you have to -like- it and deny the existence of outside.

asciilifeform: (short of chimeras in the vein of 'prolog' where anything you cook up is likely to be asking machine np-complete questions)

asciilifeform: fluffypony: my particular favourite language (cl) is as high level as it gets.

asciilifeform: but this is actually a popular hate mail subject

asciilifeform: fluffypony: i can easily see how you might have arrived at this, but you must be ~111th one in a row to think that i like 'old' for sake of old

asciilifeform not involved with either, cannot say for certain

asciilifeform: android works in much the same way as apple's regime, iirc

asciilifeform: gwbasic lol

asciilifeform: requiring everyone to drop everything and 'get into compliance'

asciilifeform: new can be a pleasure if done for some actual reason and not because a monkey changed the label on a knob

asciilifeform: now it isn't on c/unix. that'd require magic tough

asciilifeform: and it runs.

asciilifeform: i routinely build code from 20 yrs ago.

asciilifeform: fuck centrally imposed 'practices'

asciilifeform: ahahaha no.

asciilifeform: but is more widely available

asciilifeform: it also (curiously) costs more

asciilifeform: which has a somewhat different shape, and no sata port

asciilifeform: for some reason i thought the question was about the 'pink pogo'

asciilifeform: rom-able a la 'corebios' (formerly 'linuxbios')

asciilifeform: 'bitcoinbios'

asciilifeform: there's no reason why we can't do an x86 build of this

asciilifeform: incidentally

asciilifeform: on black pogo4 (what i have) - sata

asciilifeform: in the purple unit, that'll necessarily be a usb drive

asciilifeform: on whatever interface

asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'll just have it probe (and if doesn't find blockchain, format) the largest mass storage device found at boot

asciilifeform: nubbins`: in principle

asciilifeform: next problem is how to get it to automatically bake into the kernel .ub image during build.

asciilifeform: (the default one. still need to cut unnecessary crud from it)

asciilifeform: then ramdisk gets built

asciilifeform: this is not documented.

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the trick is to run nbmake-evbarm from your TOOLS path, rather than nbmake

asciilifeform: which problem

asciilifeform: yes, plugged into a jack in the back

asciilifeform: consider also that the 'connection machine' was not usable at all except as an expansion plug-in to a symbolics lispm

asciilifeform: iirc not a single such machine sold to anyone but usg or a directly usg-funded org.

asciilifeform: but iirc all that is publicly known about his work there, is in that piece.

asciilifeform: it was his 'last hurrah'

asciilifeform: almost guaranteed.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: i was genuinely floored when learned for the fist time that there are folks using a computer who have never so much as vaguely heard of it

asciilifeform: one of the most well-known experiments in the entire field

asciilifeform: !s trusting trust

asciilifeform: decimation: 'reflections on trusting trust'

asciilifeform: everyone obsesses over 'sexy' traps while ignoring rusty old spikes that are everywhere

asciilifeform: because ken thompson

asciilifeform: unlike ada, it is not actually possible to program in c -as standardized-

asciilifeform: even if it worked.

asciilifeform: (to learn why - see log)

asciilifeform: decimation: i honestly can't say i'm at all interested in 'formally verified' proggy

asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol

asciilifeform: not on the street near respectable people

asciilifeform: because the fate of ugly chimeras is to sit in a circus

asciilifeform: decimation: notice how 'cyclone' never remotely caught on, etc

asciilifeform: because that market is already thoroughly owned by the ada folks

asciilifeform: this is why the 'safe c' experiments never really went anywhere

asciilifeform: built in to a degree that folks who have never seen it, cannot possibly apprehend.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: and yes, there are such things. i have no personal experience with them.

asciilifeform: that thing was largely about how to write (or, more correctly, -not to write-) in the first place

asciilifeform: as in 'lint' ?

asciilifeform: decimation: code analysis ?

asciilifeform: (which renters get none whatsoever of)

asciilifeform: plus the $xxx bil of tax deduction subsidies for the mortgage racket as a class

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: and what's left is a very thin slice.

asciilifeform: then factor in the 'white men need not apply' subsidized housing from the other half of usg

asciilifeform: decimation: not only ordinary ones, but heavy on brass

asciilifeform: because they move you

asciilifeform: out

asciilifeform: further propping up the faux market

asciilifeform: decimation: iirc, usg also automatically buys the house at bezzle-planned rate if you get relocation orders

asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit

asciilifeform: !

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: of course it does

asciilifeform: this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in

asciilifeform: no great surprise.

asciilifeform: they're rolling in the dough.

asciilifeform: because wtf, why.

asciilifeform: and then mircea_popescu asks why these folks don't buy one way tickets and join 'isis'

asciilifeform: aha army officers

asciilifeform: not so common

asciilifeform: for free-standing building ?