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decimation: russia would love to shower scotland with bezzlars so he could use them as
a wedge to split the eu
decimation: I suspect
a big voting bloc were welfare recipients who feared the sudden lack of welfare bezzlars
mircea_popescu: i still dunno wtf they did to make such
a wide margin happen.
decimation: the illusion of
a mysterious outcome keeps the people invested
mircea_popescu: it's not even
a matter of whether social justice and pc and the rest of the crap is right or wrong
mircea_popescu: in the sense that
a boring place can not have interesting people.
mircea_popescu: it got
a lease on life once eu once again decided to mismanaged, ]
mircea_popescu: decimation the 1800s worked because at the time europe was mismanaging human resources, and so you could actually get free value by just taking its rejects. then early 1900s worked because the whole country obeyed its betters, so carnegie, rockefeller et co could create
a monopoly on the world.
mircea_popescu: by now it's
a good three centuries plus
a world explored past its sell by date
mircea_popescu: the current libtards are really just trying to do
a sort of "being cinderella" except
a little deeper than disney
mircea_popescu: in
a sense, the renaissance was the golden age of us libtardism.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, are you
a fan of Dan-Mircea Popescu?
mircea_popescu: you'll confuse people who study history, it's
a term of art
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'lesswrong' would be
a harmless heathen pit if not for the inescapable fact that it is
a tarpit for
a good number of otherwise intelligent folks << this is
a major problem in search for
a solution.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you post those lenat papers somewhere? I have
a reasonably fast digitizer if you lack
assbot: Racism has
a new name: HBD
mircea_popescu: well, i didn't mean b-
a-hood in the "it's sensible and it works" sense, i mearly meant it in the "rule the wrold" sense.
xmj: 'in our attempt..' was
a quote right?
jurov: Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky This is
a road that does not lead to Friendly AI, only to AGI. I doubt this has anything to do with Lenat's motives - but I'm glad the source code isn't published and I don't think you'd be doing
a service to the human species by trying to reimplement it.
moriarty: in our attempt to fathom why africa has such
a different development trail, we have come up with some interesting cause models, from the bias introduced by the Mercator projection, to the irrelevancy of subdividing world population based on continental shelves
mircea_popescu: moriarty it would work as
a wot system, and as that only.
moriarty: but i guess once
a system is put in place, resistance would act against any attempts to better the status quo
moriarty: peer review would work if it was more well-thought out like
a jury system
mircea_popescu: moriarty it's
a problem of dynamic equilibrium. peer review worked before weight was put on it.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, it doesn't help that the metrics of
a good academic is the number of publications, one that seems to be robust in the face of peer review, but take
a peek behind the curtain only to unveil the editorial committee having ties to the same university, sigh
assbot: The irc world is
a big but very flat place. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bounce: so make
a new fancy box that does lisp from the ground up.
moriarty: whenever someone makes
a comment like last programming language, it's
a giveaway sign they have no formal education in CS
assbot: Not all programmers are alike:
a language rant | Locklin on science
moriarty: you may act individually, but your response to feedback from the market constraints that individuality, and as
a whole, the market acts very mechanistically, well, if you can pin it down of course
moriarty: they may amble along seemingly individualistic paths but the feedback arising from interaction with other criss-crossing of paths result in
a very predictable wave
moriarty: think crowd behaviour as they exit
a museum
moriarty: individual automatons act in ways that coherently reinforce into
a distinct pattern
moriarty: if you have
a good perception of what will be the populist stance, then you can make
a trading move to optimise your profits in response
moriarty: heh asciilifeform brought up
a good point on trading though
moriarty: asciilifeform,
a lot of the bugs arise typically not from the main objectives by the side-work in getting simple I/O right, etc,
a lot of which can really be templated
daybyter: I want to create
a framework to build on.
moriarty: daybyter, and of course i assume
a full-fledged basic mathematical suite to support doing whatever i want to the model
assbot: Not all programmers are alike:
a language rant | Locklin on science
moriarty: asciilifeform, all the things one takes for granted, the support from community at large is non-existent in
a corporate setting :) so what was trivial in popular languages had to be polished up, e.g. good documentation and example codes
assbot: Formal definition of
a trading language
moriarty: and i must say that the beauty of functional languages is that you get to attain that rare accomplishment of writing
a bug-free code in the first round
bounce: what's the cost of cooking up
a chip or two these days?
mircea_popescu: bounce it is
a strange argument on the face, but perhaps the idea is such
a hard problem can only be conveniently breached at this angle. much like satellites aren't launched from tiera del fuego
decimation: (
a common model for technical companies with any defense contracts)
moriarty: asciilifeform, fair enough, still if you've formally undertaken AI as
a major, that's something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems
a weak reason tbh. i mean, there are good lisp implementations today, or not ?
moriarty: xmj, it helps to have
a walking encyclopedia who you can tap into
moriarty: asciilifeform, and they didn't inform you that hard AI was
a largely abandoned endeavour
moriarty: bounce, i think he means build
a brain
mircea_popescu: i just handed them their ass too, i suspect either
a ban or
a wambulance coming
decimation: moriarty: didn't you perceive this as
a problem, given your previous point about mixing crap with the good?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can readily see
a us religious nut sponsor for that.
moriarty: xmj, without
a forum of knowledgeable peers or esteemed academics, you would be hopelessly lost, making lots of mistakes, reading all the crap together with the good stuff, and taking longer to self-develop
decimation: asciilifeform: one day I hope to find
a modern 'ai researcher' who admits to have tried programming in lisp
bounce: well, you know. formal education isn't always
a panacea either. might just end up in
a complete dead-end of "knowledge".
moriarty: but Thiel's supposition that people should not bother with formal education and instead open up
a company under the auspices of his seed funding is rather self-serving in my opinion
moriarty: i think it was great that PayPal has made that clan of people rich,
a lot of good things have come out from the founders of PayPal
moriarty: if i were feeling benevolent, i should actually sponsor some of them for formal education :) but then neuroscience has something to say about how intellect not developed before
a certain age would have the door closed on them at some point