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asciilifeform: shape was meant to be a square cross section.
asciilifeform: to fingers-and-eyes-aren't-screaming-you're-a-tard-to-all-comers tolerance...
asciilifeform: less of a 'look better' concern, and more of a 'orthogonal planes actually need to be orthogonal damn it all to hell' concern.
ben_vulpes: thing about machining and code is that a pro is always going to tell you a number of ways to make it look better without materially improving the thing
asciilifeform: went at it with a fly-cutter first, but nearly destroyed both work and tool
asciilifeform is also not a photographer
asciilifeform: they are typically powered by a constant-current circuit, so even the rated voltage is not a critical value.
mircea_popescu: no but as a general point
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the actual impedance of a stepper almost never matters
mircea_popescu: how do they make this thing, in a hammer mill ?
asciilifeform: a small aluminum turd.
mike_c: and a happy androgenous person!
mike_c: " If for some reason I do decide to use any of the existing graphic components, a quick search on Google for 'clipart of man holding clipboard' and 'blue wiggly line for no apparent reason' should suffice." lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^ for a month ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c hey, you never made a banner for the analysis page ?
thestringpuller: more like a nightmare really
thestringpuller: i had a dream i ran out of cookie dough
thestringpuller: dunno which number but it happened a few days ago
Namworld: I guess that would be a fitting comment. But no, was merely finding that this site had 4 dimensions well explained.
jurov: giving a power transistor to each cell? i see it's easier to match them
mircea_popescu: it was to be a whole bitcoin killer!
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 wasn't a coin.
mircea_popescu: jurov always the negativist. think, the problem of splitting the pie! always a np problem!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "To be publicly critical of a project that is still so young and involves so many degrees of freedom reflects poorly on your own intelligence."
devthedev: "If problems of the planet have an exponential growth, solutions need to have a higher exponential growth."
mircea_popescu: pretend the world is a huge rave
jurov: re: base e floats: they are a bitch to add or increase/decrease by 1
fluffypony: I have a big penis
BlueMeanie4: im a crypto expert, I also double a circus sideshow freak and a professional craft beer taster
mircea_popescu: my word dissolver had a moment of "bloody hell!"
BlueMeanie4: does everyone have a gimmick these days?
danielpbarron: apparently one of my tweets that cites a trilema article was mentioned in some youtube video https://twitter.com/mrchrisellis/status/513448933306404866
asciilifeform: student exercise. prove that the minimally-braindamaged implementation of hardware finite-precision floating point requires a base of 'e'.
mircea_popescu: "give me this cup full of 2/7" should result in a cupful
asciilifeform: decimation: halfway on the road to african method - sit in a tub of own shit and call it a 'computer'
decimation: the new jersey method would be to return a buggy result and hope for the best?
mircea_popescu: which is why reality is a harsh mistress.
asciilifeform: chuck some metal into a lathe, try cutting too deep.
mircea_popescu: no, cause the no play is not a computer, it's a wife./
asciilifeform: it works so long as 'don't play' is a valid move.
mircea_popescu: basically you're saying "take this thing from a compact representation to an infinite representation on a finite space without loss"
mircea_popescu: that';s not a guarantee finite-register machines can make
asciilifeform: point here is that a 'rational tower' is one where no information is lost as a result of this operation.
asciilifeform: think this way. i take a cpu (your choice, which) and put '7' in a register, and '2' in another, and demand that division happen.
decimation: in theory, if maxima can do it in software, it could be done with automa at a lower level in silicon
asciilifeform: but quite a bit of work on top of what extant machines do in bare silicon.
mircea_popescu: it's a numeric machine tho
asciilifeform: not only notation. to know which operations are not rationally reducible, requires a fairly good symbolic maths apparatus (e.g., 'macsyma' and its plagiarized clones)
mircea_popescu: in a computer the output of "abc" is "abc' rather than whatever windows may spit out with a bad charset or w/e
asciilifeform: but in a 'rational tower', the output of 'sqrt(2)' is 'sqrt(2)'.
asciilifeform: no extant cpu has a 'rational tower' in that sense.
mircea_popescu: and i'll venture a guess that more computer insecurity was caused by this than any other one thing
decimation: your car radio multiplies two waveforms with a few diodes and a filter circuit
mircea_popescu: this has been a very illuminating discussion
decimation: yeah there's no reason why the cpu shouldn't support arbitrary precision arithmetic, even if it takes a lower-level state machine to emulate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it gotta be a meaningless accident huh
mircea_popescu: it's a numeric machine. it only uses integers.
decimation: I see how one would want a 'habitable' lower-level simulation language to accomplish this work
mircea_popescu: i didn't like the "were possible" part. either always, in which case it's a calculator, or forget it.
asciilifeform: sometimes, the simulation turns out to be a superior 'reality' and you throw the old 'reality' out.
asciilifeform: the same way electronic calculator 'emulates' a stable of slaves counting with beads.
asciilifeform: but instead an entity which simulates the behaviour of one where possible (in much the same way a tcp/ip telephone attempts to behave like a traditional electric telephone.)
asciilifeform: wasn't talking about a hand-wired physical circuit
decimation: well, let's say you wire (with 74hc say) a quicksort for 16 bit 2's complement signed integers
decimation: asciilifeform: I agree that would be a great goal, but how do you handle types?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on a lisp machine, you actually could.
asciilifeform: on a proper computer, e.g., 'quicksort' or 'newton-raphson method' are distinct entities. and there are no 'programs' as such, only a graph of circuit linkages.
mircea_popescu: i guess, but originally i got very pissed off at ubuntu becaus you can't make a non-networking ubuntu machine without rewriting it all, instead of simply uninstalling netowrking.
asciilifeform: i don't mean a specially-instrumented crippled proggy running for the occasion
asciilifeform: this is how we got these things that we call 'computer' even though i can't flip a switch that stops all cpus and shows me all the places 'quicksort' is mentioned on the machine and which ones got invoked in the last 7 days.
mircea_popescu: not a bad model of it at any rate.
asciilifeform: sometimes this situation evolves in interesting directions. e.g., monkeys steal a small subset of man's tech, and build a cargo-cultish airplane - but one which sorta flies when the weather is just so.
mircea_popescu: too much agency for a monkey.
mircea_popescu: but that is a much more self aware, and effectually applied, violence than mere prickliness.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, for the capacities of the basic rational agent, they'd seem to have a point, too!
mircea_popescu: decimation it's worse than that! consider : you could pick arbitrary assumptions and arbitrary data sets so as to theoretically and practically justify a particular theory sufficiently so that it gives the desired results for a FINITE time interval, calculated to exceed the probable testing period.
decimation: re: model being horeshit: "Because, we know that with theoretical cherry picking someone can come up with a set of assumptions that produces a result that may logically follow from those assumptions, but if the assumptions really don't have much traction in the real world, that result really doesn't have much to say about what we are actually looking at. " << from my econtalk link above
assbot: Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science
decimation: the next step is to become a hermit in the taiga I guess
asciilifeform: they are 'prickly' in the sense that their only contact with a world outside their own is redditards knocking on the door to 'teach how the world is'
ben_vulpes is a monkey with tools beyond his sophisticaiton
mircea_popescu: important to remember that his declarative statements are powerless to influence reality, and as much as he'd like to live in a world where there's no incentive for me to stay honest,
asciilifeform: sometimes - a chimp finds a loose brick, and you have a little infestation problem.
asciilifeform: walls tall enough that the monkeys don't even know, normally, that there is a something behind them, or walls at all.
mircea_popescu: consider a simpler case, let me find it.
mircea_popescu: and if you conform by doing the "since they call me a thief anyway might as well", you are actually giving away that much power.
mircea_popescu: "advertising is a symptom of insufficient demand or insufficient supply." naggum o.O
mircea_popescu: i can't read locklin without him annoying me. such a total schmoozeball.
mircea_popescu: "one of the great strengths of the APL ecosystem so far are the user community. Lispy people are a preposterously pricklish and unhelpful bunch in comparison."
mircea_popescu: seriously, 20% of my search traffic came looking for... "true" ? what the fucking hell of a cosmic joke is this.
decimation: "The Germans from Russia are descendents of Germans who settled in Russia in the years about 1763 to 1862. Their story begins with Tsarina Catherine II (Catherine the Great) who was empress of Russia, but a German princess by birth. In July 1763 she issued a manifesto to attract people from Western Europe to settle in Russia. The manifesto promised new settlers freedom of religion, freedom from taxes for a 5-30 year period, freedom
decimation: Odessa used to have a very large german population until Stalin
mircea_popescu: "let's save the environment by shipping natural gas across the atlantic because we're too bigmouthed to fit a cock"
moriarty: mircea_popescu, as russia is finding out as a result of ukraine
mircea_popescu: that's never changing. china is a shitty agressor.
mircea_popescu: or we could read secret dispatches, check out how the various actors behave around it, who knows, even go to a military expo.
moriarty: and as of this moment, they are being led by a pussyfoot for a president
moriarty: thanks, it's a nice outcome after months of boring market action
mircea_popescu: hardly a handful im sure
decimation: yeah they still have a handful of nuke subs