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mircea_popescu: ‘Is that so?’ The other eyed him speculatively, had another pick at his teeth. ‘And what makes him excellent?’
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a cat in desperate need of overthrowing the imposition of catdom upon it, however.
mircea_popescu: i did think teh present conversatiuon made it plainly clear.
mircea_popescu: you're discussing the matter in inadequate terms, as if you were to try and judge software by what happens with the table.
mircea_popescu: white china survives, and the fucking hittite empire to boot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, by subjective criteria as you employ, the english empire still survives.
mircea_popescu: it's already a given he's taken at most a local maximum
mircea_popescu: but note that at no point would him getting killed be part of a best plan, so
mircea_popescu: if this man were here talking, i would make the same exact observation.
mircea_popescu: because they proceed of causes, not towards purposes ? who yet even cares per se of body count ?
mircea_popescu: the notion that human agency is ever "effectual" is such rank nonsense to begion with, that a pretense of "saving action for optimal effect" can only be regarded in psychogenic terms
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you know, once ceausescu was finally killed, it came to light there have been thousands of people plotting his demise, allegedly. to hear them talk, some of these had gone on for decades.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are, however briefly. the others often never get around to it.
mircea_popescu: tho thieves often think in terms of "o look, a slow scam is being set up!!1"
mircea_popescu: in any case : people who don't steal do not become by this better thieves. they do instead become part of a different world.
mircea_popescu: well no. you are in the unique position where someone killed himself, and you say "his death was not effectual - as it didn't resolve his problems. lo, they are still here!"
mircea_popescu: ie, this may be a valid discussion of trapmakers, as it discusses how much of a trap it is, but not at our level, where we discuss what is is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is no argument to say of the badger trap "but it shot no laser"
mircea_popescu: this is what all they who disagreed with chomsky and agreed with civilisational narrative re joe stack also saw.
mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure i have enough data to build a chain as you propose.
mircea_popescu: the man that has so shot one, is not by this ineffectual, even if invaders left.
mircea_popescu: the man who has not shot an invader in his livingroom is not by this a man who will not. just a trap no invader has stepped on yet, is all.
mircea_popescu: at that time the first trap to ever spring sprung, and the second had not : a) were the other eleven effectual or ineffectual ? b) was the one that sprung effectual or ineffectual ? note that still badgers around, AND FROM THE POINT O VIEW OF THE BADGERS, every item is just as much a trap as the traps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me approach the matter this way : you have an infestation of badgers in your living room. so you set down a dozen traps. overnight, two traps have sprung.
mircea_popescu: hitler&gobbles' inane insanities certainly do not constitute more of a nordic system than the current socialism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only marginal avenue for all that is claiming mussolini's claimed italian revival was genuine. i speak the language and do not believe the theory, in agreement with the vast bulk of native speakers.
mircea_popescu: 1890 probably closest available. it IS possible china is prospering atm, i am blind and clueless
mircea_popescu: arguably it's right here, but i think it's early for that.
mircea_popescu: sane + civilised is only available at times when a civilisation prospers. these aren't these atm.
mircea_popescu: but the comparison can not be properly carried in civilisational terms - there aren't any. the only common ground is natural, and that's what yields there.
mircea_popescu: because what a dead and decaying civilisation does to the brain is indistinguishable from the early stages of mental illness.
mircea_popescu: the ascendancy of ideology does not actually bring anything into being but its own zombies.
mircea_popescu: ie, a being not informed by the rote assumptions of your culture.
mircea_popescu: what if - to him, hungry is the subjective sense of lack induced by watching tv without a milk glass in hand like ... every single case of people watching tv he's seen on tv ?
mircea_popescu: you may think "he eats because hungry - just like me", and he agrees.
mircea_popescu: take the easier to digest example of the child who earnestly thinks milk comes from the supermarket.
mircea_popescu: but look : the standard european mecanicism is not a universal ideology. actually, plenty of people have never even heard of it. they regard things - often the same things, yes - but that does not necessarily mean they see themwith the same eyes.
mircea_popescu: they do not have concrete aims in your definition of such.
mircea_popescu: no. i don't think your idea of "aims" actually applies to them.
mircea_popescu: one certainly can not attempt to apprehend the death of cesaria evora by saying "niggers"
mircea_popescu: if your observation about a fact is a word that applies to all facts, you've not even attempted to study the peculiar of the fact.
mircea_popescu: nono, the idea is that calling everything the same thing is the opposite of trying to understand. you can't analyse by synthetic means.
mircea_popescu: let's return to gorgo, the woman that allegedly "spartan women can rule men because they can squeeze them out". her husband famously told her to "mary well and serve her man". also, partizan motherland ?
mircea_popescu: i dun think any of these actually works in this context.
mircea_popescu: but the problem is, there's no promise the how will be approachable.
mircea_popescu: you have to dig no further than right here. the fact that you feel teh need to sell me on the idea he never happened is pretty much good enough.
mircea_popescu: i actually think he is more respectable than pretty much every surviving american.
mircea_popescu: imo, eunuchs understand... futility. and for bonus lol points, fut is the present indicative of to fuck in romanian.
mircea_popescu: the minds are scarcely the problem. which is part of why i credit so little the entire "iq" verbiage. if iq were the determining factor in anything we'd be living on the moon already.
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already."