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mircea_popescu: bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of
a usa is maintained hence.
bounce: on that note, next after obamaman will be what,
a republican, maybe
a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses?
mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was
a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.
mats_cd03: oughta develop
a dope addiction. balance things out.
mats_cd03: being born
a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode
mats_cd03: my research suggests it is
a predominantly white surname.
mats_cd03: i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is
a common name for whites or blacks through research
bounce: so the question is more of
a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP
mircea_popescu: for instance, hand't i been
a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up
a major revolutionary entrepreneur.
mircea_popescu: bounce to rehash
a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink
a good start-up is
a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being
a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits.
mircea_popescu: which is
a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society.
mircea_popescu: but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as
a device.
mircea_popescu: were she mauled by
a savage beast, while unfortunate, it is quite natural.
chetty: the fear of it is
a lot bigger problem
bounce: does mean
a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean the cost keeps on going up; at some point the belief just stops.
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is there
a difference, maybe
a saint was "rich" enough too
gribble: klye was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <KLYE> Alright. I am off for
a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose it's more likely for
a suprlus to accumulate, urban or rural setting ?
mircea_popescu: im saying routers are expensive, you're saying there's
a lot of internet traffic.
bounce: .oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in
a ten page essay )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the implications of
a call aren't always obvious, which is
a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all that sweet greek mythology about fate.
mircea_popescu: should take care of about
a year's worth of your time.
mircea_popescu: but if anyone's looking for intricate ways to waste their time, feel free to model
a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need to be able to safely fire off both kinds.
mircea_popescu: brain is
a repeating mechanism. next time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at
a wrong time.
mircea_popescu: but the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such
a way as to not break the entire fucking stack are staggering.
mircea_popescu: suppose we live in
a fully defined world with
a fully exposed api consisting of two functions
mircea_popescu: let me go into details here, make
a full model, save you some effort.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for the lemmings to be educated. that makes you
a saint possibly.
mircea_popescu: if you actually flip
a bit in there, you'll need
a shitton of boundry tests to not kill yourself with it.
bounce: not everyone is actually burdened by such
a thing. there's
a reason petty crooks end up in the slammer time and again: inability to own up to their own misdeeds, to admit it was them that dunnit.
mircea_popescu: hence the "conscience",
a pop reference to that fixed cost.
mircea_popescu: bounce no see, the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism. thus it has some channels which work
a certain way to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability to isolate super processes from micro processes, so to have the former work backwards.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're basically looking at the cables. the cables aren't
a machine, the transistors are th machine.
bounce: disagree. for malice you need
a certain amount of cunning. if you have that, it's easy. if not, it's hard.
mircea_popescu: which is
a sort of engineering, for people thatdidn't get into metals scohol.
mircea_popescu: which, contrary to what people think, is extremely expensive and thus quite
a rare thing.
mircea_popescu: or otherwise, an underpaid public worker. like you know,
a schoolteacher.
mircea_popescu: bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently
a natural law, not merely
a clever theorem.
thestringpuller: who other than
a nice person would sacrifice their sanity to try an educate lemmings for
a paycheck?
MolokoDesk: I suspect they're trying to apply
a watershed management model to the atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: but as
a great man once said, "it is forbidden to teach nonsense. but the study of nonsense, that's scholarship"
MolokoDesk: economics as
a persuasive force is intriguing. the way the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk as to your what happens : he becomes
a stakeholder. there's
a nice little fable re the nsa stash in the logs relating to this.
MolokoDesk: ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC to
a non-stakeholder, someone who wants to use it as general purchasing power.
MolokoDesk: there's
a notion called non-entailment. it describes the non-predictability of evolving systems that lose backward-linked information as they evolve and for which there are
a large number of adjacent states for which the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable.
MolokoDesk: well. cryptography is
a mathematical fact.
mircea_popescu: it's offering
a narrow window for people to be friendly, is all.
MolokoDesk: right now bitcoin has
a spendability problem, along with the disincentive to spend created by the expectation of deflation.
MolokoDesk: linux has
a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So the people working on it are contributing to it because besides being generallly useful and having the political influence it does, they make
a lot of money on it.
MolokoDesk: writing software and maintaining it on
a priority level.
MolokoDesk: ok, guess, we should talk about what adding
a payment option to this and maintaining the bot long term are worth in terms of comp.
bounce:
a secret wish for
a simpler world
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring
a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as
a rule filthy rich, which means they do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, which is why coming up with things that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people to adhere to trhe highest standards so easy.
dub: aside from possibly
a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer)
MolokoDesk: (we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make
a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing
mircea_popescu: anyway, the state in my head is that th bundle gets hashed into
a pubkey which is where dust is sent.
RagnarDanneskjol: we discussed this at one point and determined this was the best approach - as alternative to millibtc to be recovered from
a multitude of pregenerated addresses
punkman: it picks
a random bitcoin address instead of generating the private key for one
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with
a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and
a server login. an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with
a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and
a server login.
jurov: <Vexual> ya they love
a droplet in prague << no they're just world experts on alcohol
kakobrekla: you want some b-
a.com
a record for the deed thing
bounce: needs
a bit of
a crew, some buy-in from
a few groups, and so on, to get the thing started
teward: mircea_popescu: GRFs been closed
a while, but point still stands, namespace issues
mircea_popescu: giving it
a gpg sig is
a handwave anyway, whoever controls it can make it sign anything anyway. not like it's
a creature in itself.
mircea_popescu: $90 buys you an hour's work of
a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is
a gross exaggeration.
bounce: now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines
a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?
mircea_popescu: bounce notrly. you use
a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep
a serial of when people go .deposit and use that,
mircea_popescu: and if it becomes
a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online.
MolokoDesk: 10k transactions. oh. each user has
a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure.
MolokoDesk: ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are
a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and
a database.
MolokoDesk: "oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make
a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.
mircea_popescu: no need for any of that. you just use
a hash of their userid to generate
a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits.
MolokoDesk: they send you
a microchange digit set and you confirm on that.
MolokoDesk: ok. so they don't need to register
a wallet ID with WoT?
MolokoDesk: random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not
a sound practice.
MolokoDesk: just realized that Tao_Jones has
a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not
a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has
a mining back end that increments the accounts in
a sporadic lottery.