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mircea_popescu: this is kinda
the bw-intensive use, and obv uy is no good for
this
trinque: they want
to watch HBO from lithuania or w/e
trinque: the kids don't even
torrent anymore
mircea_popescu: nobody handles email by hand anymore, wtf, everyone is on google. if some douche wants you
to install smtp on
the shared server you just frown.
mircea_popescu: ONLY
thing is, gotta
talk
to people. and
tell
them "here, is a
thing, USE IT!".
trinque: average derp has no idea what a box is, let alone what
to do with it
mircea_popescu: but
this'd be a marked improvement over
the stiuation where you got no user at all.
trinque: if it's proved
there's no market
there, great,
then you iterate moar
mircea_popescu: in
the EXTREMELY unlikely case you actually get a user you don't want, can just rate and move on.
trinque: if I can go briefly upstack,
the proposal from me is
to
try
things. vpn is just
the first
thing
that came
to mind.
mircea_popescu: and isntead sit
there and wank idiotically about what is little mroe
than "what i read in playboy letters".
mircea_popescu: why do you stubornly refuse
to see, internalize and use
the working process, notwithstanding it was both explained and displayed for your examination
mircea_popescu: the last
time anyone came even vaguely remotely close
to anything like
that, danielpbarron got his walking papers and
the problem went away
the same day.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism
that
tries
to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom
the upstream plug pulled )
mircea_popescu: then again black dudes regularly come out ~average wrt penis sizes, seems
to do nothing for
the meme.
mircea_popescu: it is quite unlikely anything like
the usg socio-politico-legalo-wankist notion of "pedophile" exists in reality, yes.
trinque: the "it'll all be pedo
traffic" is
the other end of
the "my precious children, can't let 'em bike down
the street"
mircea_popescu: not "what you'd do in
their place", not "what's good for
them", "logical" or otherwise.
trinque: if it isn't a red dot
they
tap and
that's it,
they're not doing it. and you have nobody else
to farm.
trinque: you really need
to hang out with some early 20s kids.
mircea_popescu: basically alf is willing
to do anything whatsoever but sell.
trinque: no,
there is no market of you
mircea_popescu: just because
they call it x in
their fantasyworld has ~little bearing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:05:14 asciilifeform: observe
that a literate user leasing a whole box, can
trivially use it
to forward his packets wherever. but
turn-key 'service' of
this, draws 9000 units of fire for erry unit of profit, by attracting
the redditus.
there's a reason why all existing vpnisms are honeypots , underwritten by usg moar or less directly.
trinque: and control w/e fraction of
the pipe
they get
to use
mircea_popescu: you're allowing yourself
to be misdirected. just get
the peopel looking for
the item called "vpn" in empire universe on a rk or w/e
the actual item is
trinque: I'm not
trying
to insult you, but
this is exactly
the "and anyway if I did" loop.
trinque: not
telling you where
to source.
trinque: I'm criticizing
the approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform,
the part you're missing is
that
the entire array is not made out of
the one-worst-apple
trinque: as for
the "checks from washington" I
think you bring your soviet experience into
these
things without first going and looking
trinque: there's a
thread right
this moment on one of
the heathen pits on which vpn should I use
mircea_popescu: actually, it's not altogether clear
there is another one.
trinque: there are not enough yous
to fill a bowling hall
snsabot: Logged on 2016-08-07 12:36:39 a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment.
to my great surprise, i discovered
that
there is a large manufacturer in usa, and
they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely
the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:20:14 BingoBoingo:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true <<
Their list of gateways shows what one would come
to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters
their stuff, which... is probably
the only way
to build a VPN service
that offers speed.
This means UCI, sucking off
the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
diana_coman: but it's a more difficult
thing
to catch as it were: as above, it's unclear if "no signature" is a sign of "seeking
to hide imperfection" or of "no read" or wtf already
mircea_popescu: so far
the bar seems more in
the vein of
the exact opposite, "seeking
to hide imperfection"
BingoBoingo:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true <<
Their list of gateways shows what one would come
to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters
their stuff, which... is probably
the only way
to build a VPN service
that offers speed.
This means UCI, sucking off
the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
mircea_popescu: i dun
think anyoen's getting negrated for being imperfect.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I should have said: what if I get negrated for having signed it while it still contains a mistake/something I overlooked; basically a
too-perfect-vision of it or how
to put it
mircea_popescu: but
that's
the fucking gain. "o look, i made a mistake".
diana_coman: other people's signatures are good and wanted but
that's about as much as it seems
to go so far.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz; but leaving
the examples aside a bit, it seems
to me
that
there is currently a lack of incentive
to signing; basically people perceive it more as a liability (perhaps: I signed
that and...what if I'm wrong/made a mistake??)
than a gain;
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:08:42 asciilifeform:
trinque:
that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest
thing
to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of
the kind.
diana_coman: to link it also
to earlier
trinque's
thread "nobody reads"
diana_coman: well yes,
that is pretty much a given as soon as one starts doing useful stuff; but it still implies
that signatures on *other people's* stuff are back of
the queue while at
the same
time you see lack of signatures on your stuff as "nobody reads!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mentioned recently, now writes stultifying government copy re "immigrants" at la
times.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: while ^ is
true, signatures seem
to be more
than "lack of
time"
though; afaik you read EuCrypt and actually satisfied yourself re MR implementation for instance but I don't recall any signatures from you - or did I just miss
them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform,
that it is ; which is how you end up with entire swathes of maculature (usg "scientific research" or "news media" as prime examples) rejected out of hand.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 08:10:15 mircea_popescu: i suppose
this "document success only" heuristic is
the one most poisonous gift society has
to offer.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:37:57 mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting
turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding
the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:31:06 mircea_popescu:
this "Solve problems as you run into
them, anything else is premature optimization" groove's apparently very easy
to slip out of, but it is
TRT.
trinque: and I'm using a namesilo
too per your recommendation, great service!