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ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-14 06:05:06 mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2 as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951170 - I certainly couldn't fill that in and it did precisely pop up while reading, precisely this sentence; I suspect dorion needs more practice defining some manageable scope & focus for one article.

diana_coman: anyways; I have pics and I'll still write up the whole thing.

mircea_popescu: aite. i'm a get the e5 then

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: myeah but what can I say; fwiw I didn't hold much back eg directly told him that ahem, I can see how it's "convenient" for them but that sort of convenience has a cost and moreover it's totally inconvenient for me.

mircea_popescu: when i say "the great success of lamp", i mean things quite like ^

diana_coman: essentially I'd need to fully interface there

diana_coman: on the negative side, they are totally married to 1. their account-on-website system because, quote "I've built the business around this"

diana_coman: I just came back from the dc visit too; on the plus side, they are still small enough to be able to get to know them and they seem reasonably interested/able to actually have a conversation;

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951120 - currently I would go with the e5-2620; not only on larger ram & more threads aspect but also because looking at what is available otherwise, it seems to me that this at least hits on the "widely available" even more than the e3, esp in the longer term; fwiw yest I looked at what servers I could source here as well and sourcing AMDs seems to be mainly an American thing.

mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2 as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.

bvt: re tmsr os - i am curious what work plan trinque will come up with, esp wrt static linking.

bvt: ty, i guess after the article it will become possible to decide what to use for each of the hashes; after that one more patch - user-settable key for hashing, and rng work will be done

mircea_popescu: i'm really excited about this!

BingoBoingo: In local news, the day of the last Presidential debate... The Argentina's president-elect came for a big photo shoot with Uruguay's sitting president and the Fat Forehead nominee. I am having serious trouble conceiving a situation where the commies aren't trying to throw the contest.

BingoBoingo priviledged the deedbot returned ledgers and invoice statements over the notes in mathing, though everything was math'd. Repeatedly. Still I admit the room for error to creep in when doing math on calulator and will entertain claims, but preferably sooner instead of later.

diana_coman: it's ok, now I see where I had it wrong, got confused re start/end on the RK; it's fine as it is, thank you BingoBoingo

BingoBoingo: I split all of mircea_popescu_popescu's things for their being used for different ventures, wasn't sure if anyone else wanted that in the paying out.

BingoBoingo: Well, I didn't think so, but I'll give it some minutes now that I know someone else is trying to read it.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right, I put in on the 'anyserver' but haven't done any tweaks to it other than making it clear the operation is closed/closing. I'll give it a couple minutes and see if I can silence the spew.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951034 << the more i think about this, the less a problem i perceive. i mean, nobody even uses cd boot anymore, they do the hybrid thing so you can use the image on sticks too. well... there's 32gb sticks for ~free, you just set it with a data partition and that's that. in the very unlikely case someone actually has enough artwork to fill 32gb, um... you just tell the pl

diana_coman: I'll take my camera tomorrow and hopefully find some time in the evening to blog it up too

diana_coman: and I can put whatever I buy.

diana_coman: at the end of the day, if I get a rack or whatevers next to me, I can just as well plonk a server in there

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, listen, can this wait until I meet those dc guys tomorrow?

mircea_popescu: it's pretty much all e3/e5. i could perhaps squeeze a celeron if pressed, but there's no amds.

diana_coman: that's the thing, that I'm not sure that it makes all that big difference really esp atm.

diana_coman: myeah, I was just having a look at the specs

diana_coman: fwiw I actually ran it without that toolkit but the resulting quality of graphics is visibly low.

mircea_popescu: i'd rather it not be "only works on intel" if at all possible, but otherwise...

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 05:05:55 spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 04:54:57 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950779 <-- around 10 hrs, plus-minus 2. it's not much time, but I aim to, as much as possible, stick to that 10hrs/week figure and properly break down/manage the tasks I can fit into this time.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951092 << i think it's plenty.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951029 <-- just to be as pedantic as possible: plus all the deps needed to run the eulora client. from what I understand, would have to produce static builds of these, which touches new ground. not sure if e.g. http://www.eulorum.org/Gentoo is up to date, but we'd be the first to attempt doing a static build of nvidia-toolkit.

spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951078 <-- I have an old thinkpad with an intel 3000 (works decently for games that don't ask for the latest shaders & crap) and perhaps I could get my hands on other GPUs. the problematic point is that I'm spending a considerable portion of that allocated 10hrs in saeculum, without physical access to the hardware. so would have to work out some routine for

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 22:22:17 trinque: I'd like to approach this in phases, documentation preceding every phase's work product.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950779 <-- around 10 hrs, plus-minus 2. it's not much time, but I aim to, as much as possible, stick to that 10hrs/week figure and properly break down/manage the tasks I can fit into this time.

lobbes: mircea_popescu: nice bug findin'. I'll make sure it is rolled into the patch

lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me

mircea_popescu: the first lol, i'm not dragging the whole mp-wp logger on forever.

trinque: but I want to know who wants to eat the thing with me, and start talking to them on a regular basis.

trinque: I don't want to burn anything out. I think it's upon me to specify this thing, receive feedback, and then delegate tasks.

lobbes: Not that I can't start chewing on things early, of course

lobbes: trinque: I also want to make sure you know that I still have some items to knock out this month before I can devote full focus, but starting in December I should be ready to roll

trinque: w/e GPU you have is fine. if it ends up not being fine, I'll just send you one.

lobbes: trinque: I'm not following you

mircea_popescu: plus i don't remember you throwing a hissy fit for no apparent reason

lobbes: trinque: I might have one. How do I determine decency of gpu in this context?

lobbes: just to be clear, my I believe role in this thing (at least to start) should be at the bottom of the totem pole. I have much to learn still but am willing to work. Though I will need management on what exactly to work on. I don't think I even could have conducted the client interviews on the level trinque (or jfw, for that matter) did. I simply do not have enough experience yet

lobbes: trinque: I am around (and have been following the conversation)

trinque: sounds like not very sophisticated clients, not that I'm throwing shade at your hustle jfw

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 16:59:38 jfw: dorion and I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-11 20:24:11 trinque: I'm thinking you and he could turn this into a proper consulting gig if they like what you produce, and I'm happy to manage / advise such an endeavor.

trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950546 << this stands, and what I meant wasn't the bastardized american version, where you feed the client shit til he notices.

trinque: I'd like to chat before any of this, and come to an agreement on how we work together

trinque: I'd like to approach this in phases, documentation preceding every phase's work product.

trinque: but it's just not further than speculative, and I don't want people chasing after it

trinque: it's a derivative of something I've used in embedded machines for a long time, and I'm seeing if it can be made into an adult OS

trinque: I am working on that other item, and I was telling the guys *not* to worry about it for now.

mircea_popescu: i don't see why it wouldn't be possible. doesn't work atm, but yes.

trinque: this I am willing to actively manage spyked and lobbes to produce, if they will. others also may apply.

trinque: the cuntoo bootstrapper I produced was misery in that it either produced a booting drive, or fuck you peasant, learn moar.

trinque: I think it's beneficial to have the thing able to run as a livecd, with option to install.

mircea_popescu: trinque, i agree ; it just needs the doing.

trinque: walking through the list of firmware one needs for these isn't insurmountable. I've got a radeon box sitting here that runs cuntoo

trinque: I'm just marking off the limits here

mircea_popescu: i have no problem with "Boot from it". but it hasta boot. which... is not trivial, given one wants to support 3d gfx.

mircea_popescu: if i knew of something giving a leg to stand on i'd push it, but atm got nothing there, so yeah

trinque: I wasn't proposing using actual steam, but the approach, which probably would still suffer from what you say.

mircea_popescu: i don't even mean this in any kind of theoretical sense, i've been testing it.

trinque: I'm not saying you should, just pointing at it

trinque: if it does, I'm gonna keep going "what the hell's the plan for money coming *in*"

trinque: it is hard from where I sit to reconcile this "the work must be done whatever the cost" with any sense of survivability. so one says either the latter doesn't matter, or one's to fill that gap himself.

mircea_popescu: i dunno, like half of trilema

trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950667 << this dude is literally taking the approach I'm prescribing.

trinque: I didn't say sell the OS.

mircea_popescu: now, as to the putative customer approach : i dun specifically want to make a new os for every single app we come up with. i'd like to make one and be done with it, such that minigame can use it, trb can use it, everyone can fucking use it.

mircea_popescu: i dun think you're a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming as a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.

trinque: I am not a lazy man.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-11 20:22:50 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?

trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950544 << here and down, and they agreed, and I have not heard from them in #trinque , is where we stand.

mircea_popescu: trinque, so where did you say "i will do that" ?

trinque: the last thing I said on teh subj is for those two gents to interview their potential customer and find out what they want, and report it to me

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 13:51:42 mircea_popescu: and as to the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned. the logs since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie a week ago are sorely missing a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do that". this is what separates the bois from the men : FIRM committments.

mircea_popescu: i don't think we're talking on the same basis here. i dunno how your "omg, faggot, do actual work" maps on the actual occurence.

trinque: and yes, I'm not doing the monastic thing. I went on about this ad nauseum with much rustling of jimmies.

trinque: I came in offering to mentor both lobbes and spyked in starting a business, and this is "omg, faggot, do actual work" ?

mircea_popescu: and i dunno what the gap is! make it plain, what is it, what's the difference between whatever this is and whatever a business'd be, an' pinpoint the allergy neh ?

mircea_popescu: if you're asking me, i think it means willing to do work at arm's length.

lobbes: kk, that'll be the next item I tackle then

lobbes: mircea_popescu: I can't see any reasons why not. Sure thing. I'll reach out to them

lobbes: mircea_popescu, I'm currently using colocation america but the jury is still out on them imo. They are very responsive and accommodating, but I'm only renting a server from them (have not tried actual colocation)

mircea_popescu: cool. the only thing is... i'd like a distant server. where do you currently host ?

lobbes: Alrighty, good meeting. I've my takeaways of things to knock out. Will keep mircea_popescu apprised

mircea_popescu: those i want kept

mircea_popescu: i don't think seconds are meaningful, irc is not resolvable to a second resolution anyway

lobbes: but I don't mind adding if you want. This is your thing afterall

mircea_popescu: and also... fuck. no timestamp at all, i actually came up with thsi shit ?