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mircea_popescu: problem with smart, educated, english-speaking kids is that they'll believe anything.
mircea_popescu: when you know, people still inexplicably imagined they could help
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to it : html was written by people who had not even a cursory familiarity with what resource location might even mean. consequently, there is no actual way to locate subsets within resources, even if continuous. the only available primitives are, either spurious linefeed, or else partial selects.
mircea_popescu: except of course all the old farts are completely moroning hellspawn a la jwz, rms, ers, etcetera
mircea_popescu: the sadness about this sorta job is that it's eminently not noobworthy.
mircea_popescu: they chiefly come in large drums of "everyone coming before was a fuckhead"
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't, i daresay the problem's not your slaves.
mircea_popescu: yes well ideally what you call "a lang" comes with pre-written formatters
mircea_popescu: what you ~could~ do for your usecase, usefully, would be to add a, say, ?a=alf switch, such that when a=alf, every paragraph gets a chapter anchor and every sentence therein gets a sentence anchor, and then alfblog.org/?a=alf#137:37 takes one directly to paragraph 137 verse 37
mircea_popescu: then no select is even needed, like the bible, #168:35 goes directly there
mircea_popescu: moreover, if that's all you want, you could just add per-para anchors with some tiny tweaking of the mp-wp
mircea_popescu: i dun imagine paragraph-select is how people expect to use it.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that select behaviour is social, and implementing a weird select for your blog is likely to cost more in that than in provides in whatever it provides
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if you select whole paragraphs and them only, you can get away with div at very minor cost (ie, there may be slight diff between "normal" para and selected on some browsers)
mircea_popescu: the thought manifestly never fucking occured to the muppets, "chief among the jobs of any uniform resource locator is to expose a manner to reference arbitrary subsets of the resource once located ; at the very least ONE CONTINUOUS SUBSET)
mircea_popescu: yes. "a one cell table" is just a clunkier div. and the problem with div (
instead of span) is that it... breaks the line where it starts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, there's no way to do it with any number of tags. the problem is exactly as described : spans that can span any subset of the characters insert a spurious line feed ; spans that do not insert spurious line feed can not span any subset of the characters but only some.
mircea_popescu: there's no "clean span". there's either span-borken-thus or span-borken-that.
mircea_popescu: but the problem's of primitives not wrappers ; nobody on the fucking w3c commission ever had any actual usecases in mind. just shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, font doesn't do what you think (not addressable) ; table is clunkier div. can do either of course, up to you.
mircea_popescu: (subsidiarily, i also want to select inside a logline maybe twice aweek, which is hundred of cases by now)
mircea_popescu: i am pretty sure nobody here ever thought before to ~edit~ their irclogs for ~any reason~.
mircea_popescu: and, my reasoning goes, since im doing this ANYWAY, might as well have a public, published version.
mircea_popescu: the situation where there's both unchanging loggers and syncing loggers is in fact more stable wrt that sort of challenge.
mircea_popescu: consider the complexities involved also. what if there's a serious dispute re log ? what do we all do, we each fall back on whatever private irclogs we kept, eys ? and conceivably even have a party split, x-y-z see Q, k-l-n see P.
mircea_popescu: that it is. and i would be concerned if there was no synced logger, too.
mircea_popescu: or to put it another way : a logger confronts the dilemma if whether to sync with history or with other loggers. i don't believe there's need for a rule, it can stand as such.
mircea_popescu: not that i'm against sync-able loggers. but i don't believe all loggers MUST be thusly.
mircea_popescu: the owner doesn't have to specify WHO is his lordship, because the bot just looks at who he rated 9.
mircea_popescu: i kept dithering back and forth in here because i stupidly never sat down to draw this all out properly and review history etc. but now i have, and that's the story.
mircea_popescu: in order for this system to retain its utility throughout the board, i believe the whole array should be offered to castle owners. thus for deedbot to manage voicing in a castle the owner would have to specify the castle name, what x value he wants, whether lobe 2 is on and if so what threshold y to be used.
mircea_popescu: 1 must be on for there to be a voice model in the first place. #trilema was traditionally 1 on, 2 on, x = 0, y = 0. with this castle update #trilema is moving to 1 on, 2 off, x = 1, y = undefined.
mircea_popescu: there's two lobes to qualify for voice in a castle : EITHER 1.(rating above x by the castle owner) OR 2.(sum rating over y by his lordship as he defines it.)
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i'd want this ; but the experimentally inclined may find it interesting to explore
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938151 << there is such a thing implemented, specifically in the auctionbot spec for #eulora (say your line on the hour but only if there's been chatter since last saying). something very similar can also work here, "a new day starts when there's been silence for x time"). while clocks drift, they don't also diverge, not on the sort of scales here contemplated.
mircea_popescu: if i make the log say X on my blog, that's my fucking priviledge, it exists on my authority.
mircea_popescu: think abougt it, isn't a priori post something you'd want ? :D
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in local lulz : "what was that much better post office here called ?" "you mean prioripost ?" "that's right, apriori post!" "no, no, just prioripost. though... damn..."
mircea_popescu: s 60% the length ; but this is not the be-all end all of intellectual accessibility.
mircea_popescu: a car-plane is not more compact than a set of car, plane ; nor is it "more intellectually accessible". it's true the manual
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938084 << imo this sounds like a good idea in theory, but is not a good idea in practice. the reason for the difference is that the links as we use them now are ~fixed length~ AND ~fixed format~, something the quotes can never be. they are BETTEr like this than like that because the fix-* is the more important attirbute in thsi context.
mircea_popescu: alternative schemes may be devised, but it's not a simple "let's just mechasmush everythin together" sorta level of consideration.
mircea_popescu: which is why generally when rendering log i tend to preserve nametags per line and the original lines (though not always) and instead insert extra line breaks now and again to paragraph it up.
mircea_popescu: unlike "poetry" ie the socialist shit, where "things look a certain way" with 'verses" (and i'm stuck ha;lf the time dropping it altogether, because it's better absent than fucked), our prosody is actually interesting.
mircea_popescu: will need moar beard for crossing the 500 line threshold.
mircea_popescu: no, tis outta respect. i will take the time to type something out, an old poem, whatever, for similar reasons : some things are worth it. and they get worth it through occasionally, ever so occasionally, doing you that rare and radiant wonder of a favour, where "it turns out" aka you finally deign to fucking notice you were doing something stupid.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the reason i take the time to explain how various shits work, unpopular as they may be, is because i put the time in to actually understand how they do in fact work ; and i did that not because i was bored, or because i was desperate to find something to pour some of this time into, i have like a well of time at home and it's overflowing so you gotta put some in all availavble receptacles or else it floods the hou
mircea_popescu: ~the dichotomy is creative~. we don't have many (in the sense of : not any) alternative leverage points available. gotta use what's there.
mircea_popescu: yet strangely mp doesn't mind nearly as much as the bottom centile of the "red pill" crowd. how the fuck ?! is it because he's a jew that he doesn't suspect jews are in charge ? what the fuck's going on here ?!
mircea_popescu: yet mp is also the ~least~ angry at "the system". how the fuck could this be ? is mp insane ? if everyone's so fucking pissed off over epsilon, "they gave us 9000 things but we're missing like... three. burn it all down", what the fuck's mp supposed to say, he has to have his fucking food flown in / slave made, and clothes flown in across the world and everything else.
mircea_popescu: erryone's happy with a girl to worship at home, just put her into this one shrineroom and worship there now and again ; mp apparently needs multiple (what! how!) and ~somehow even manages this~, for years, decades, it's not a wish-perceived fantasy, he lives like this ?!
mircea_popescu: and it can not even be explained JUST HOW!!! creative that thing that's creative actually is. let's look at one example : mp is, as a factual matter, the one who needs most things not put in. mp apparently needs to walk his bitches on a leash downtown, which romania doesn't even have words for, every newspaper in the country must drop whatever it was doing, selling cheap chinesiums, to talk about mp's weird needs now, and
mircea_popescu: it could be, of fucking course, there's no denying that. but there's another step in there, and not to be skipped over.
mircea_popescu: in fact, all it really takes is this conviction that a problem once perceived's thereby an' therefore also a problem that needs solving. NOT SO.
mircea_popescu: and participation ~doesn't take all that much~. that's why it exists, after all, because it's easy, because it is in fact even easier than the
very little use them powerful old men behaving badly might put a dumb wench towards.
mircea_popescu: the subjective paralysis is actually the problem. participating in the tavern wench chorus as to how bad your owner is prevents you from fucking thinking, or growing the fuck up (the two being related).
mircea_popescu: this isn't actually the problem though ; as well documented on trilema, the effect on powerful old men an' their behaviour of the tavern wench consensus is still the nil it's ever been.