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mircea_popescu: <punkman> "Después de encontrar una vulnerabilidad grave en el sistema de voto electrónico a #MSA estan allanando mi casa, los de delitos informaticos." << in case anyone else missed it, this country is mostly a parody.
mircea_popescu: a gallon of water makes half hour's mist, protects the plant if there's any air draft at all
mircea_popescu: almost as if someone was holding off hitting the muppets over the head with a 2x4 until b-a crowd had its ducks lined
mircea_popescu: which, in terms of parachutes.. .you gotta admit... perfect timing
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the sortt of situation the entire deterministic thing he was crowing about is meant for.
mircea_popescu: superficially it seemed reorg blocks like it did in 2013, but maybe deeper than that. have not yet gone too deep into
mircea_popescu: i still dunno why they do it. i've not yet managed to unstick a stuck one from last night
mircea_popescu: just some nodes have trouble unsticking, which as i said above, great place to test our new block manip tools etc.
mircea_popescu: punkman meanwhile hanbot used to grow cherry tomatoes on her windowsill.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron are yuou up to date ? what's lastblock ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, if you agree to make unedible crud you may have better control.
mircea_popescu: the town was fully of blooming magnolias and i never saw a single artichoke plant outside of my garden
mircea_popescu: punkman i had problems with, "artichoke does so well here, it actually STAYED GREEN THROUGH WINTER, suppoirting an inch of snow on its upturned broad leaves. meanwhile, magnolia sapplings grow < 1inch per year and will never flower"
mircea_popescu is mildly impressed at alf's lineage in any case. my grandparents were teachers and whatnot, but great-grandparents deifnitely farmers.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> wait until you try to debug plants << he has a point there. tho in fairness iirc alf debugged mice at some point.
mircea_popescu: and yes, most men died before seeing the thing they were working for. historically, to date.
mircea_popescu: there is no reason to expect any better in this new field. it is, after all, a field.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just sayin, humanity was built by originally trudging the muck with no tools.
mircea_popescu: fuck you, your grandparents were farmers. it's how this fucking world works.
mircea_popescu: yea, i get it, may mean that this makes your fate be to muddle in the dirt, piling up data for your kid, who maybe might do it.
mircea_popescu: dude, how about you actually get some data first omfg.
mircea_popescu: until we know exactly wtf to do about relayers, about miners now, there is no point. the prototype's still prototypin'.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but this situation is why im so cold on your ada idea. sure, you go put all the god damned effort into writing a fully correct, fully specified implementation oif an... broken idea.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't envisage as much as an inkling of a solution. just more stuff to worry about.
mircea_popescu: punkman right. hence all the "We don't give a shit" verbiage here.
mircea_popescu: atm the split is .999 - .001 or somesuch. this will change monotoniucall;y the other way
mircea_popescu: really the % of income "just known" vs "information acquired" is the proper measure.
mircea_popescu: hard to convey what the changes in dynamic such a thing brings.
mircea_popescu: if as much as 66% comes that way and the other 33% has to be found out about... o baby.
mircea_popescu: atm 99.x% of income comes through this immediate, sent-from-heaven-above channel
mircea_popescu: tomorrow, they will not KNOW immediately through act of god where that 25 btc comes from
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem more specifically put : currently everyone is mining with a "god given" known tx of 25 btc + whatever they pick off the ground.
mircea_popescu: (txn time = when most miner revenue comes from block txn)
mircea_popescu: but when that begins all this may fucking collapse under the weight of... if money's the incentive to mine mining will not exactly allign with "securing the network"
mircea_popescu: sure, people don't do it yet. mostly because lazy, 2nd mostly because stupid, 3rd mostly because it's not even txn time yet.
mircea_popescu: ipso facto "running pool" ===== "nefariousness in layers"
mircea_popescu: it pays more as a pool operator to be into skulldugery than into running your pool
mircea_popescu: most only apply to specific implementationms etc, but! fuck me...
mircea_popescu: the process hasn't returned yet, the list is already hundreds of entries long
mircea_popescu: or else by fucking up other people's miners. i ordered a listing of "all the ways you could exploit a miner with crafted comms for a hash advantage"
mircea_popescu: specifically : atm there is an arbitrage open, where you can either make money by "brute forcing" it ie hashing,
mircea_popescu: anyway, the main sufferance in my head atm is that reading the chinese stuff (in translation) clarifies in my head an objection that may well be a second major flaw to the protocol, after the "relay nodes gotta do it for the glory" : its altogether unclear a purely financial incentive is the correct solution for miners.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which sort of reorg apparentyly happens, or used to happen, a whole lot.
mircea_popescu: in which case they'll prolly change it rather than start from the original. unles it's VERY dumb.
mircea_popescu: an' signed, an' people will prolly prefer referencing yours unless it's dumb
mircea_popescu: and you don't even know about the used condoms behind the bed headboard
mircea_popescu: i know she's stupid and fat and you want a divorce, but...
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem, and the fact we're looking into it one of the few things giving me solace and better rest at night
mircea_popescu: so what, is "95% consensus" going to gavincoin next ? for ... all of six blocks again ? cool.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i am very much amused at the way discussion with kakobrekla turned out. 600 hours "oh miners will just so and so " "nobody cares what miners do" ; 1800 "oh miners just so and so'd!!1" "and it turns out nobody cared".
mircea_popescu: i run a public company wut do you want from me, blood ?
mircea_popescu: im also going to have it unstuck, but i got a shitpile of stuff cooking atm.
mircea_popescu: but for now it can stay as it is, because i think more people were syncing to it.
mircea_popescu: i do intend to replace it with a foundation one as soon as practicable.
mircea_popescu: the original point of this thing i run here was to give all comers the historical chain as is in my custody.
mircea_popescu: now, since you're synced to my level, and you have a full validating node, i see no reason to not open the listen port. do you ?
mircea_popescu: which it's how it's made to work, better fail than be stupid.
mircea_popescu: well you're only looking at mine, and mine's not relaying.
mircea_popescu: specifically, what happens if you put the new chain into a node
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that the clients ain't reorging properly, which needs looking into/