asciilifeform: this also.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: where there is something more to do than dig own grave

asciilifeform: and likes to imagine that there is a place to go

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because everybody wants to get the fuck away from the buggers

asciilifeform: or autarky

asciilifeform: it doesn't buy you sovereignty

asciilifeform: you can already 'seize' a ship-sized 'island' from... the sea

asciilifeform: ... and do what on it?

asciilifeform: what of it

asciilifeform: it also owns europe

asciilifeform: wai wat

asciilifeform: *to sea

asciilifeform: (there is a subculture of folks who imagine that going to see somehow rids you of usg)

asciilifeform: also recall the 'seastead' thread

asciilifeform: or which 'cost' was spoken of

asciilifeform: decimation: for all the sovereignty the 'title' of the island gets you.

asciilifeform: decimation: it may as well be in center of washington

asciilifeform: could probably come up with a fab. in time...

asciilifeform: i for one would settle for autonomous food-n-shelter-tron

asciilifeform: or one of them, anyway, where i theorized that the bulk of mining power is produced in exactly this way

asciilifeform: in fact, this is quite like the thread from my first contact with #b-a

asciilifeform: i can see mircea_popescu's scenario playing out -with bribery- rather than elaborate crapware

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might imagine that the fab is a largely automatic affair, but this is not so

asciilifeform: the number of not-entirely-brainless people that would have to be duped simultaneously is large.

asciilifeform: of each -layer-

asciilifeform: no need to be a professional artillerist to see the absurdity of 'shoot everything that moves in the sea' hypothetical

asciilifeform: just when i didn't think that anyone could conceive of a less plausible scene than the island...

asciilifeform: this is laughable to anyone who can be bothered to learn even the basics of how such a plant is run.

asciilifeform: cuckoldry doesn't work on everything.

asciilifeform: and at any rate, it needs to happen N times, not 1.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is about as plausible as the virus scene from the infamously bad film 'independence day'

asciilifeform: and it isn't 'coders' in the sense of monkeys but actual people, who would be required.

asciilifeform: so who do i 'persuade' to replay 1970-2000 ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to recall the thread where we illustrate that the entire extant ic fab ecosystem sits on two or three winblows-only turdwares that's easily 10,000 man-years each

asciilifeform: how does this 'solve'

asciilifeform very confused

asciilifeform: and have item fabbed on winblows tools ?

asciilifeform: and trust the product from fraud ?

asciilifeform: objection to a hypothetical 'locale doesn't matter'

asciilifeform: last i checked, there were no teleporters.

asciilifeform: it also, very notably, does not work especially well for physical objects as a class.

asciilifeform: pre-aircraft

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: esp. not if said account lives among the folks you intend to blow up

asciilifeform: not as in 'numbers in account'

asciilifeform: decimation: wealth as in functioning tame economy and natural resources.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: what a cosmographer does is even less tangible, but we owe a good chunk of early physics to them.

asciilifeform: decimation: or do you imagine that even something as basic as 'v1' can be built from dirt

asciilifeform: decimation: lobbing rockets, etc. is a contest of who has the largest pet economy to milk

asciilifeform: (summary: defence doesn't work)

asciilifeform: decimation: see old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934 ☝︎

asciilifeform: much cheaper

asciilifeform: 'tomahawk'

asciilifeform: island only works if you have thermonukes ready to pop in every major enemy population centre and they know it.

asciilifeform: not enough info from my perch to even say something reasonable beyond 'it ain't happening'

asciilifeform: but this is rather like asking about that kind of martial colony would feel best

asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat

asciilifeform: and pet economy to feed the two.

asciilifeform: chip fab and army

asciilifeform: decimation: i don't think any lottery on the planet pays a tenth of what it'd cost.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, 22 years.

asciilifeform doesn't know for a fact whether he could tolerate it long-term

asciilifeform: (just as example)

asciilifeform: the former

asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire'

asciilifeform: decimation: and it would be baking in my personal fab

asciilifeform: decimation: ideally i would be designing it full time in b-a or whatnot

asciilifeform: the output is a kernel and a rootfs (in 'turdel', deliberately baked into one binary to simplify testing)

asciilifeform: as just another 'package'

asciilifeform: nubbins`: my plan is to fit bitcoind & its deps in there

asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's what i'm building the whole shebang (as seen in turdel) with

asciilifeform: and i mean all of it

asciilifeform: on just about any reasonable unix

asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'buildroot' builds cross-chain

asciilifeform: nubbins`: congrats

asciilifeform: brb

asciilifeform: i count 3 barrels

asciilifeform: decimation: from earlier newpiece today re: a tax guy

asciilifeform: decimation: nope

asciilifeform: (speaking of the black barrel)

asciilifeform: the other two barrels, no idea

asciilifeform: three-round '12 ga' mag

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'mossberg'

asciilifeform: if the thing is to be given to 'civilians'

asciilifeform: (outside of bitcoind)

asciilifeform: that upnp will have to be grudgingly brought back, if only as a separate process

asciilifeform: jurov made this observation in october

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think about it for a minute

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because how is anyone to connect to this thing!

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: (as a separate demon, i suggest)

asciilifeform: we're probably stuck bringing back upnp regardless

asciilifeform: decimation: how many in target audience will have well-configured anythign?

asciilifeform: the demo turdel dhcp's, yes

asciilifeform: think about it!

asciilifeform: dhcp also means we have to bring back upnp

asciilifeform: and can't imagine i'm the only one

asciilifeform: i don't like dhcp in my house.

asciilifeform: decimation: this will make, e.g., setting static ip, impossible