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trinque: I wouldn't even consider it a sin if you just went back and fixed all the links to point to present logger, and in so doing, fixed the format.

asciilifeform: but at the same time all links are displayed on www from within a calendarized page just as now , with date in the base url ( the date my logger believes they occurred on )

asciilifeform: it means that the lookup must be by idx, not by date

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931397 << yes, I don't understand what it means to both be decorative and work correctly

asciilifeform: trinque: visit the linked thread, it is short.

trinque: lemme go back and try and figure out what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve, unless you'd endulge me with a restatement, because I don't think I'm following.

asciilifeform: i mean, in practical terms

trinque: this is the batshit and denuding coad diana_coman wanted !

asciilifeform: trinque: dun seem like any standard-compliant www end ( front or back ) ever sees # or any text after.

trinque: then referrer contains the ID

trinque: heh, I can go hankier. you could instead have a server-side rewrite rule that 301 redirects from / to #

asciilifeform: currently closest thing i had to a workable idea is /chan/idx#x ( where #x is simply a fixed string ) and generated page contains #x in the right pos, and coloured line there.

trinque: willing to use a minimal amount of JS?

trinque: yep, they are not. they're an in-page link from ye olde times

asciilifeform: cuz how to make it scroll to pos ?

trinque: from the other end, why not / instead of #

asciilifeform: trinque: see linked mircea_popescu thread. it appears to be the case that anchors in fact are not transmitted to the remote end, at all.

asciilifeform: trinque: i dun think i understand the q

asciilifeform: ( the reason for this itch is that i have found it to be impossible to guarantee that all dates agree )

trinque: what on the backend determines URL routing?

asciilifeform: ( incl. the page scroll to anchor and highlight must remain working just as now )

asciilifeform: i.e. errything oughta work just as presently, BUT with the index being the actual determinator of where link goes.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:35:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing !

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 13:27:15 mircea_popescu: add to that the FUCKING INSANE tlp being annoying as fuck, i'm having a blogging crisis over here

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:17:48 asciilifeform: it'd have to by the ugly-as-arse /log/chan/index#index or sumsuch

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931384 << what's the url you want to have? possibly doable as apache-level URL rewrite

BingoBoingo: lobbes: Well, the idea behind Qntra is if you see a lol, you share the lol and through this process Qntra grows in both author count and in lol enjoying population

lobbes: well most learning materials I've read did suggest to start with kana, for that specific reason

asciilifeform is thinking, prolly he is the last 1 who oughta give folx advice re languages. his methods , likely , are applicable to ~nobody. prolly even mircea_popescu's method ( house pets ) is moar widely usable .

asciilifeform: lobbes: normally folks start with the kana ( or you can't even read a normal dictionary or kindergarten-level book etc )

lobbes: this may go to mircea_popescu's old point of "with language, like sex, there is no drawbacks to starting with master class"

asciilifeform: for details/nitpicks refer to actual experts.

asciilifeform: hieroglyphs -- to the annoyance of white devils -- ea. have at least 2 pronunciations, dep. on context

asciilifeform: there's the hieroglyphs ('kanji') which cover normal adult lit , or rather 95%; connective tissue , proper names, older loan words -- in 'hiragana' ( syllabic ); 'katakana' ( a sort of minimalist hiragana, moar 'runic' aesthetic ) largely for foreign words, names of dirty euro devils, some children's lit.

lobbes: I was thinking katakana ~= "italicized" in eng. this is not the case?

lobbes: aha. goes to show your point about the ~0 usable lit then haha

lobbes: I never made it to the actual grammar

lobbes: now this is interesting. Once I understood that they had two distinct scripts with identical phonemes purely to denote emphasis/no-emphasis I got a little spooked that the rest would be way too insane to understand

asciilifeform: perhaps one day jp will rip out of the yoke...

asciilifeform: lobbes: if you abstract past the hieroglyphs-- is easier to eat than any euro lang. no declensions, no conjugation , very little of what euro folx normally think of as grammar gnarl.

asciilifeform: interestingly, the americans, who colonized and subjugated jp, to this day produced ~0 usable lit re the lang. ~all of asciilifeform's working materials -- from su.

lobbes: hey, that's something. I never even ate a single kanji

lobbes: I assume that having quality material with which to read is a good motivator as well. I confess to trying to learn Japanese for a spell; memorized most of the hiragana, started on the katakana, and then went "when the hell will I ever USE this??" then kind of stopped

snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-24 16:53:07 asciilifeform: prolly only cure is actually snarfing in a few kilometres of ro voice track.

asciilifeform: lobbes: see this old thrd . handy.

asciilifeform: ( not counting mircea_popescu's 'inpatients' , that is )

asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik, that'll make 2, of us

lobbes: incidentally, it may be time I join the rotaku club. Good % of Trilema that I can't even begin to read

lobbes: It shouldn't be a surprise that I weigh mircea_popescu's advice in such matters with a tad more weight, so when it lines up with my observations in the field it usually is a sign I'm on the right track

lobbes: The youngsters, while friendly, seemed more preoccupied with 'playing scenes' (which are a blast to watch, dun get me wrong, but I desire moar)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 << Thank you. I was thinking this was the way to go as most of the folx giving me the best advice at those meetings (and online for that matter) were, in fact, older subbie girls near their 50s, followed by the 'old guard' owners.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 14:29:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931645 << congrats lobbes ! tested -- worx. i still gotta do same in my www ( and munge the 9000 old-fashioned selects.. )

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931658 << ty! I got some old-fashioned selects to update as well, tho not nearly as many as asciilifeform and mircea_popescu. Prolly the only good aspect right now of having a nascent blog atm

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 11:40:23 BingoBoingo: lobbes: In other news, its been 4 years since you last wrote for Qntra, but you are still very welcome to contribute.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931653 << ty BingoBoingo. I'll keep my eyeballs peeled for lulz, but I'll be honest in that the quality of Qntra over the years has been so good that I barely get my lulz from any other source these days!

mircea_popescu: no, it's from the epoch where teens whined that omfg, "she's claiming not to be a whore but expects me to pay for the coffee"

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 >> 'Ajunsi in acest punct, hai sa facem o noua regula : cine n-are o suta de dolari de aruncat pe luna, .... n-a atins inca maturitatea sociala care sa-i ingaduie sa umble dupa fete' << rly, 100 ? or is this from epoch when 100 bought a flat in orcistan ?

asciilifeform: mostly these folx had 'medical' epaulettes.

asciilifeform: never found out what is the max rank for orc in usa army. perhaps there's an orc general even somewhere.

asciilifeform: i specifically recall a ru d00d. rank of no less than major. a: 'what the hell are you doing here' he : 'what ~you~ doing here'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one time there was (is?) such a thing as 'theoretical' soldiers, in usa army. you walk in with a diploma, they sew you a uniform, you go an' 'soldier' in e.g. lab salt mine. at one time asciilifeform worked in a place fulla these. but even they looked moar like someone you could put in a field, than this.

BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is once USG turned to waivers to put more dole on the defense budget... I can't tell if those are enlisted marines or honored "make a wish" outreach victims.

asciilifeform: 'here is light infantry, they get 1l of cocacola / d.' 'here -- heavy infantry, they get 3L.'

BingoBoingo: My impression is that the group is "chromosone heavy" infantry

asciilifeform: ( if these were in sovok, could be tank brigate, iirc you had to be under 160cm )

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have not found context for the where it is from yet

asciilifeform: holyfuq BingoBoingo , what is that ? midget corps ?

mircea_popescu: riding atop gimp, i never encountered a case where mactardation was even usable. we're not talking here microsoft (shit never worked), nor holy shit "gimp not werk".

asciilifeform wondered -- on acct of what reich use case, did they actually bother to optimize for ram-filling photo. perhaps spy sats ?

asciilifeform: it was a very unusual -- and hence memorable -- case, where microshit actually worked where human tool did not.

asciilifeform: and i suspect that most folx could live 100 yrs and not ever run into a case of editing a 2GB bitmap.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not improbably, but I suspect in newer GIMPS the edge cases are further degraded.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform was 1 time 'lucky' enuff to find an edge case where gimp barfed and had to resort to a heathen photo editor on toilet box . ( stitching segments of photos that weighed GB+ , in the lispm reversing series. on very similar irons, the heathen proggy ran, gimp -- ground to halt. i suspect gimp has some o(n^2)-isms in it. )

BingoBoingo: GIMP is the perfect example of, "does what you want *UNLESS* you upgrade"

mircea_popescu: i like it too.

asciilifeform liked 'gimp' , aside from the asinine window system. even got it to work with electric pen thing at one pt

mircea_popescu: i still have cca 2007 installs that work fine

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: which reminds me : i'll be buying 4 of these.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This still is for no fault of the coreboot team. Not when the libreboot transteam went and broke things that already worked under coreboot

asciilifeform: the 1 exception being 'apu1' , but is sewn from 2013 'g-series' that amd is constantly threatening to 'end of life'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the last x86 irons that actually work with 'coreboot', recall, were sold in '13.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha. but coup of already corpse project. sorta like 'robbing' 1 of those boarded up banks that closed in 2000s, that litter the landscape in east ameristan

mircea_popescu: and the problem with this part of the lands is that the sluts are short.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA, 'libreboot' was dysfunctional tranny coup

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's old europistan this time of yr ?

mircea_popescu: 30yo with no experience has exactly 0 business talking to 20something subbies as a general rule, it's a complete mismatch, like taking pepper and cinnamon TO the indies.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you recall the 'coreboot'->'libreboot' tardism -- was similar, maggot eruption after many many yrs of decay in the grave.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 08:01:06 lobbes: it was maybe a month or so ago (and over the interwebz), so I can't remember fully, but I want to say she was ~25 years old mebbe

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's one level of retardation. Crying ableism when visual media is inaccessible to the totally blind is a completely other level of retardation.

asciilifeform: (gtk3 is fatwa'd, as it sucks in 'dbus' and thereby systemdism. see also. )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: per my lights, 'gimp' died years ago, when went to 'mandatory' gtk3 .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 00:25:55 lobbes: meanwhile, I've found the trilema for server-side selection. Will apply and report back

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931645 << congrats lobbes ! tested -- worx. i still gotta do same in my www ( and munge the 9000 old-fashioned selects.. )

BingoBoingo: Now it could be the case the Para-rotary firm needs to fill seats with cheap Uru-rotary college boys and is simply over estimating the value of Uru-rotary paper holders.

BingoBoingo: "Los perfiles que sean seleccionados tendrán inicialmente un contrato a prueba por 60 días, cuyos detalles se estipularán antes del viajar. También se ofrecerá capacitación y finalizada esa etapa, si la evaluación es satisfactoria pasarán a ser funcionarios del grupo. La empresa dará asistencia en los trámites legales y en áreas como el alojamiento, por ejemplo. Según Estaras, se ofrecerán salarios “a la

BingoBoingo: And in supremely sad local economic indicators a Paraguayo "alternative" firm made the news for targeting Uruguay with the offer. Local media not particularly skeptical.

BingoBoingo: lobbes: In other news, its been 4 years since you last wrote for Qntra, but you are still very welcome to contribute.