asciilifeform: but not to rebuild

asciilifeform: last i heard (years ago) there was a court order compelling them to stop chopping

asciilifeform: goes nowhere.

asciilifeform: i have a thick hanging severed limb of it here.

asciilifeform: illegally.

asciilifeform: they tore out the copper.

asciilifeform: decimation: specifically -not- where verizon fiber went

asciilifeform: stationary modem that isn't used normally

asciilifeform: decimation: nah yet another cell

asciilifeform: (live how? fallback isp. sorta like what mircea_popescu does)

asciilifeform: i live with this.

asciilifeform: my fiber goes through several trees. it is only a matter of time until 'day x.'

asciilifeform: zimbabweryland

asciilifeform: we do

asciilifeform: got power lines in your street ?

asciilifeform: decimation: tethers in flight are ick

asciilifeform: or hey, pilot could split in the middle.

asciilifeform: but only because it takes out all of you at same time.

asciilifeform: but sure, if you get hit by big enough object (rocket, mountain, hell - the ground) - splat

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: the whole story of 'titanic' is about this.

asciilifeform: liner - had central point.

asciilifeform: so long as you have sufficient spare tiles - you stay aloft.

asciilifeform: that is, single points of failure in flying machine.

asciilifeform: solving, potentially, a problem unsolved since daedalus's wings

asciilifeform: but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric'

asciilifeform: i also must say that the idea appeals to me not only because of cost

asciilifeform fortunately doesn't need to fly around the neighbourhood very much, so gedankenexperiment can stay one

asciilifeform but probably could afford 10,000 1kg lifters.

asciilifeform can't afford even the back half of a cessna

asciilifeform: i do the next few years i'm likely to remain alive.

asciilifeform: i don't do eternities.

asciilifeform: it was a wunderwaffen.

asciilifeform: damnit, it wasn't to fly every man woman child dog cat around for the next eternity.

asciilifeform: naturally.

asciilifeform: and fucktons of cable waiting to be melted.

asciilifeform: peak copper is already here. except that massive drop in demand on account of fiber.

asciilifeform: we'll get there, or not, regardless.

asciilifeform: what will happen to the parts when 'peak x' is reached for every element in mendeleev table is an interesting question, but unlikely to get there purely by virtue of making toy choppers.

asciilifeform: toy propellers - do.

asciilifeform: at least, not solid-fueled

asciilifeform: rockets don't have millisecond-adjustable thrust!

asciilifeform: (to produce the item)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this depends on whether there is reserve capacity

asciilifeform: in practice, less metal - less cost.

asciilifeform: why?

asciilifeform: how many gasoline-powered toys at your local toy store?

asciilifeform: cost - no.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: performance - will beat the shit.

asciilifeform: immensely difficult -except- in this precise way.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in as far as i am able to ascertain the reason, it appears to be because no one has suggested tiles.

asciilifeform: they are always 'bus'

asciilifeform: choppers aren't meant to cross continents, at any rate

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha

asciilifeform: have tiles which are batteries only. or even small generators

asciilifeform: on standard cell. if some of the load is added cells - longer ride.

asciilifeform: thinkaboutit

asciilifeform: it is a more efficient -product of industry-

asciilifeform: but so long as freyacopter could possibly work (and there is no reason why the machines currently existing, with about 1:1 useful lift to own weight ratio and around 1/2hr of endurance on standard battery)

asciilifeform: vastly

asciilifeform: more efficient, yes

asciilifeform: -identical-

asciilifeform: each of which is a toy

asciilifeform: because it doesn't break into 10,000 identical pieces

asciilifeform: cessna is piss-poor for economy of scale

asciilifeform: at any rate, everyone is missing the point

asciilifeform: compared to pilot

asciilifeform: 'cessna' lifts a good bit of own weight

asciilifeform thought it was obvious

asciilifeform: freya, with her housecat chariot.

asciilifeform: nein

asciilifeform: and scale, scale. (of production, that is)

asciilifeform: (thin man)

asciilifeform: 100 - a man ☟︎

asciilifeform: 50 of'em will lift a boy

asciilifeform: 50,000 birthday balloons are cheaper than airplane. but not very much use to fly. on the other hand, if a freyacopter tile lifts, e.g., 500g...

asciilifeform: but i came up with it for a reason. sat the other day for a long time thinking of mircea_popescu's observation that 'industrial product is crud' and the only place where industry wins is - scale

asciilifeform: and no, it doesn't make storage battery suck less

asciilifeform: (is there anyone who doesn't understand why ?)

asciilifeform: i will now take the liberty of calling the hypothetical machine 'freyacopter' ☟︎

asciilifeform: anyway, i'm not certain what the point of this is, in practice, but having failed to find any traces of it existing, thought it fit to post here.

asciilifeform: (in peacetime this may be a bad idea, they will fall on someone's head)

asciilifeform: why let them drag machine down.

asciilifeform: i'd build it in such a way as to let it jettison dead tiles, too

asciilifeform: draw, see.

asciilifeform: other than the graph edges.

asciilifeform: any given point in the 'fabric' is equivalent.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except that the error does not compound.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only 'random' to the extent calculations are off (plus wind, vibration)

asciilifeform: in life.

asciilifeform: how far - is for the folks who actually want to try this

asciilifeform: decimation: not if far enough apart

asciilifeform: (each 3 having own battery!)

asciilifeform: or the like.

asciilifeform: go shoot a machine with 8192 airscrews of which only 512 are needed

asciilifeform: also gives a degree of redundancy

asciilifeform: like balloons.

asciilifeform: buy as many as needed to carry load.

asciilifeform: share power and control bus

asciilifeform: aha