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bounce: bit of a cop out. can't we do better?
mircea_popescu: bounce "no tax money spent on education" is a solution.
bounce: a reasonable solution for "publish or perish" would be useful
asciilifeform: if you're a civilian - you pay.
asciilifeform: or into benefit package of being a loyal servant of Crown 'scientocracy' (professional academics)
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean it never is, i mean the noun is outside the domain of availability of the adjective. like a circle can't be heavy, 2d figures have no weight)
mircea_popescu: undata a worldview can not be true.
asciilifeform: here's a random example of what it costs to effectively think about problems in the physical sciences, without a Crown license.
undata processes on that last bit for a moment
asciilifeform: ^ yes. just as freedom may or may not be about a hacksaw, depending on whether one is in prison, and of what material the prison is made (a pair of clippers may suffice for a savage rope cage, etc.)
mircea_popescu: meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave.
mircea_popescu: "best" is a complex concept.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with "discussing the art of living" is diogenes. as in, discussion requires common ground. which isn't a given.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: s.nsa. first project is a small electronic device, 'cardano.'
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: to a very limited extent. (mircea_popescu insisted that i bill for the construction of the three-axis robotic platform for prototype assembly.)
The20YearIRCloud: Oh a good note about RentalStarter, our banking partner has really stepped up in terms of lending to us
The20YearIRCloud: ascii is this a business where btc was invested for tooling?
mircea_popescu: yeah, guy famously got caught jacking off in the forum (roughly equivalent to putting pron tumblr pix in the serious #b-a chan) and when confronted said that his only regret is that hunger doesn't also abate by rubbing the stomach.
undata: mircea_popescu: I would never force anyone to live a certain way (provided it didn't encroach on my own) but I think it's essential to discuss ways to improve the art of living.
mircea_popescu: i mean, if your bar is that, then you'll never be happy. takes a lot of dough, that project.
asciilifeform: this. is precisely what i meant by 'i refuse to live as a rat'
undata: mircea_popescu: why live if you're a cheap copy of the "rich" guy next to you. Life is about projects, not piling up Hummers. Wealth fuels projects.
asciilifeform: i'm not sure i personally have ever held a day job which was a 'net gain for the motherland'
undata: asciilifeform: expressing a value is distinct from insisting it be imposed.
mircea_popescu: jurov that may be a matter of taste :)
undata: they gorge themselves on cheap "wealth" instead of generating actual wealth for the 'society' they're a part of
bounce: isn't that like a requirement for teenagers? whine, at least 50% of the time.
undata: the guy in a black shirt going "you better not"
mircea_popescu: i doubt the truck's all that good, looked like a guzzler.
asciilifeform: ruining a perfectly good truck
asciilifeform: specifically, wanting to see the idiot executed a la the 'bear jew' scene in 'inglorious bastards'
undata: wouldn't break a window; would swing for his dad. fascinating.
undata: coward wouldn't even go for a window, not that he could break one the way he was swinging
wywialm: mircea_popescu, did you consider calculating a stock index for MPEx?
wywialm: (of course i should have a decent model to obtain reliable deltas)
wywialm: i could "sort-of-replicate" option payoff trading on a spot market, each day buying/selling according to the delta (the difference being transaction costs and interest rate and noncontinuity)
mircea_popescu: really, it's a field that can take a lot more work, bitcoin financial synthesis.
kakobrekla: heh JS, i recall some sites killing a core2 quad machine
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a "sort-of" type of thing, obviously.
mircea_popescu: well, you'll likely have to throw a bond in there somewhere.
punkman: I left namecheap search open in a tab and it crashed my browser, because javascript is awesome
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins`: if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run.
wywialm: option out of a future and underlying? could you explain futher?
mircea_popescu: you can make an option out of a future and an underlying.
mircea_popescu: well, basically, if you have a lot of volume you advertise it and you'll find someone. if you don't... well... you don't.
wywialm: is there a way to change that status?
wywialm: speaking of a plan, does anything happen on the options market in BTC? in particular, does the (possibly otc) option market happen?
mircea_popescu: sounds like a plan.
mircea_popescu: btw, you writing a piece for the qntra ?
Vexual: no that's a juroc joje
mircea_popescu: i thought eucalyptus sucked, as a five year old. and alcohol. and so on.
asciilifeform: i understood that arbeit macht frei sucks as a five year old, just as well as now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you wouldn't go through life with your living decided by a five year old's understanding of what's going on, neh ?
Vexual: oh a joke
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform childhood may be a poor experience of anything. freedom included.
Vexual: he had a crack
mircea_popescu: but that there's a world does not actually give the prisoner's notion of "freedom" any legs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prisoners may have different reasons to want out of the jail, but that does not make freedom a 'figment of imagination' - there is actually a world outside of the jail.
mircea_popescu: <chetty> kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe .. <<< she has a point, i've seen women cut foot for prada heels.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case' << but inasmuch as your argument rests on the "mental space" of the user, then therefore my observation IS satisfied, and indeed it's not a thing, but merely a figment of imagination.
mircea_popescu: the bet says "to play". the guy... signed a contract. to play. next year.
Vexual: not everyone with a brain seeks residual income
asciilifeform: people with even an elementary brain do understand that perhaps one in a thousand can be a rentier
asciilifeform: 'fuck you money' is a very real item for which folks have a very real longing - because in fact, it is simply the desire to be released from workschwitz and arbeit macht frei.
asciilifeform: to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case'
asciilifeform: well it has a meaning - most folks aren't bums, and possibly don't even inhabit a mental space where bums exist (other than in the vaguely 'doomy' sense that death exists for them)
asciilifeform: and most of the speakers are not street bums, and so aren't sitting on a floor one cannot fall through
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rat owns a rathole in the same sense she owns some sidewalk.
asciilifeform: rat, however, often owns a rathole
mircea_popescu: Vexual a little whorse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well ? kid does not want to live like a rat., what now ?
mircea_popescu: Vexual what do you call a promiscuous pony ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8XilZa2WY << kid does not want to live like a rat.
asciilifeform: well yes. phrase is uttered by humans, who of course have perspective - 'tall' means something else to a dwarf than to an architect
mircea_popescu: and that isn't a matter of perspective ?
asciilifeform: and, usually presumes, live like a man (not rat)
Vexual: its a chihuahua
mircea_popescu: "What do you get when you cross a whore with a systems engineer? A fuckin know-it-all!"
asciilifeform can easily picture a street whore who is arbitrarily rich
mircea_popescu: am i to satisfy a negative ?
Vexual: ben_vulpes: may i recommend a wine?
mircea_popescu: undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated" << this is already a thing.
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mircea_popescu: bounce that's all a matter of perspective.
mircea_popescu: i hate how life is filled with double standards. If a girl fucks a bunch of guys she's a whore. if I do, i'm gay. wtf?!
bounce: the pill against people establishing themselves as god-kings is you establishing yourself as a god-king, while making fun of the others?
gribble: Error: "date" is not a valid command.
Vexual: hey i don't give a fuck, im impressed you strayed on for so long
Vexual: so on a new chan you op everyone, and you were the las out
mircea_popescu: "i think lots of people confuse good hierarchy with bad hierarchy" to be followed by a) i am the one to establish which is good and which is bad, b) it's okay for me to use "does it recognise me as god-king" as a criteria of whether it's good or bad, c) the fact that i can and do argue against ANY hierarchy does not invalidate my methods.
nubbins`: that's a difficult one to parse
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw7xkvc1RlI eat beans and rice, shit up a storm
Vexual: shit up a storm
mats_cd03: 10:50:27 <+Vexual> it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently? << some asians lack the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme
nubbins`: no hidden meaning here, literally just a mildly interesting tx.
nubbins`: a bunch of coins freshly minted 4 years ago, moving.
asciilifeform: a miner
xinxi: OK, I will never buy a BMW.
nubbins`: "I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lau[g]hing on a bike."