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nubbins`: if the deed ID is not a brainwallet passphrase, the laws of probability have broken down
mircea_popescu: explain to me like i'm a nubbin!
mircea_popescu: a ok, so 2nd sha is the privkey. import it nao ?
TheNewDeal: sorry, was just a guess
thestringpuller: Didn't a shipping container with 100 billion or so get lost in Iraq in the early 2000's as well?
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/as-ipo-fails-breakout-gaming-plan-a-bait-and-switch/
thestringpuller: mod6: i actually had a leagal drink for the billinium <<< i was just growing pubes. now I don't feel quite so old.
mod6: i actually had a leagal drink for the billinium
asciilifeform: and valgrind is not a magic pill
asciilifeform: even something as pedestrian as 'valgrind' is laborious for a large turdatronic system.
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, ima make a post about, cause this is starting to coallesce in my head.
mircea_popescu: and this is a cognate of "there's no point getting in the wot, i have real world friends"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me that while some start-ups succeed, a vast majority suckceed.
mircea_popescu: you can at the very least obtain the "most likely to fuckceed" information on a set of identifiable, different providers.
mircea_popescu: business is not a matter of certain truth.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how a case can be different from any other in a system where "one can make any declaration"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: punkman: they could at least vaguely describe their process/tools << and you'll believe? << for the record, description is not strictly a belief-driven phenomenon. consider at its most basic, schooling. teacher describes to you grammar. do you believe ? no, if you're in any way sane, not right off. but eventually what was a hypothesis gets tested out.
nubbins`: reading it from a file here produces a different hash
nubbins`: so for a single deed, trailing comma or no?
decimation: maybe he put a comma after?
gernika: mircea_popescu: Can you recommend a good neighborhood for a short stay in Buenos Aires?
mircea_popescu: at least that has a stack trace, something.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At least TempleOS is fun in a retro way. Future archaologist may imagine it was actually widely used by a large sect
TheNewDeal: nubbins` was asking for a deed snippet
asciilifeform: decimation: nah, the scene where harrison's opponents contrieve to have his clock shipped from one town to another on a suspension-less oxcart
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 02:16:07; mircea_popescu: "you have been raped. i understand this can be frustrationg as this is usually a sign that you are in fact a slut."
decimation: yeah most pendulum clocks didn't do well in a swaying ship
nubbins`: punkman, a code snippet from your deed processing routine plz?
mircea_popescu: im just here eating cookies and giving him a hard time.
decimation: I was listening to this podcast: http://www.theamphour.com/201-cheap-respins-and-a-time-machine-multiscience-mercenary-marketplace/ << the guy from the satellite company said he had to drive his small sats to the shake table
BingoBoingo: For a sufficiently exorbitant price I may be willing to serve as courier within CONUS.
asciilifeform: i know full well that it's a solved problem.
mircea_popescu: undertand, shipping is a solved problem. it just costs money, but it's not the case that consumer mail is all there is.
Duffer1: no doubt, sorry i've only followed a few lines of the convo :P
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he has a point tho, museums routinely pay exorbitant fees to move their fragile shoit around.
Duffer1: asciilifeform it would have to be packed and handled like a ming vase >> bonded courier
asciilifeform: a serious museum curator - such as david s. - could finesse these issues, yes.
mircea_popescu: people can reconstruct tits and virginity. you telling me they can't remake a board edge ?
decimation: well, that's a good point, electrolytics and everything like that
mircea_popescu: i guess this is a point
asciilifeform: a 100kg ming vase.
asciilifeform: it would have to be packed and handled like a ming vase.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know such a thing as cpt/cip exists
asciilifeform: it's been a few years since i asked.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good question! answer: packing it in such a way as to guarantee safe shipping would be prohibitively expensive. the man i bought it from, david schmidt (last symbolics employee) refuses to ship his remaining stock, after a multitude of DOAs.
decimation: can be done, just a pain in the ass
undata: mats_cd03: probably going to need a biologist to get a reasonable response
mircea_popescu: cazalla: question if anyone can help - is there a genuine security reason for someone to refuse to disclose how they generate entropy for the private keys contained in their physical bitcoin coin products? << not really, no. other than "we don't have a clue how it's done but this is sekoority and so being mysterious is the next best thing"
Adlai: do you actually have a lispm?
asciilifeform: running like clockwork, 12 years later << so wat. i've a symbolics 3620 'running like clockwork' 28 years later.
Adlai: well yes, that is a valid sense of the word
asciilifeform has a collection of apple gizmos for similar purposes
mircea_popescu: don't forget that. apple isn't a tech company, it's a media company.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> who in his right mind would consider 'apple', for instance, if microshit did not exist << i don't run a windows machine. for me ms might as well not exist. however, i did get apple powered tablet to check out their game marketplace.
undata grumbles about a bunch of JS developers farting out things like couchdb
asciilifeform: that is, a deliberately archaic variant that brings back all the dark age stereotypes (slow, no iteration constructs, poor i/o)
undata: man, this is the generation of programmers that thinks nosql is a great idea
asciilifeform still can't grasp how a programming system having 'global interpreter lock' became a beloved tool
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: this represents a 200% greater loss than last year while revenue doubled. <<< yeah, the time to short the pos approaches.
Adlai: we got stuck on how to implement a MOP for sheeple, and it hasn't seen enough use for people to miss it... but it's a rather faithful translation of MOPless CLOS
decimation: asciilifeform: I get the feeling that oop is sick at a metaphysical level
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet a 'reinventor' of clos who actually understood all of clos
decimation: oop is one of those things that sounds great on paper, but when a group of programmers try to use it they end up with unmaintainable spaghetti code
mircea_popescu: i guess a fairer evaluation is to say oop got the blessing of suck, the way www did.
asciilifeform: the crop of junk-oop systems of the 1990s will be tremendously expensive to future folks, who will avoid anything that smacks of 'objects' even when a particular apparatus actually wants to be represented in that shape
Adlai: once upon a time, "object" meant something other than "instance of a class"
mircea_popescu: "you have been raped. i understand this can be frustrationg as this is usually a sign that you are in fact a slut."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: well, its not hard to beat "hi you have incoming ddos, I understand this can be frustrating as this type of attack is usually a sign that your droplet has been compromised" <<< ahahaha wut ?
nubbins`: anyone have a link handy for deed verification process?
Adlai is still waiting for a language to implement http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/ObjectIdentity.html
jurov: ..Unix folks who are used to seeing the number _or_ a hacked-up crufty version of `ctime' output are truly amazed by this.
jurov: kakobrekla ponder this bit of wisdom from naggum: it has been instructive to see how people suddenly grasp that a date is always read and written in ISO 8601 format although the machine actually deals with it as a large integer...
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> he can swear to his gods that he didn't make copies, but what kind of proof could possibly suffice as proof to a skeptic ? <<< probably no more than a few days of torture
thestringpuller: undata: it's unfortunate python gets a bad wrap though, Djanga seems more stable than say node.js
Adlai: a reddit infested with c.l.l trolls would be interesting... i hope they'd bring along the markov chain idiocy spammers too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, the funny part - it sorta did. graham and his 'arc' (which was actually a spray paint over, if i recall, mzscheme)
mircea_popescu: "The Lisp newsgroup, comp.lang.lisp, was upset about the switch that they’re currently planning to write a competitor to reddit in Lisp, to show how right they are or something." << never happened, of course.
Adlai: it's kinda sad that going from CL to Python is a step backwards in concurrency support
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh i don't even agree. fuck all this subtlety of amuk idiocy. a character, its encoding, the representation thereof and its numeric value are all THE SAME THING. forever.
asciilifeform: 'A character and its encoding are different concepts. An encoding and its (external) representation are different concepts. An external representation and the numeric values of whatever unit it is made up of are different concepts. By conflating all four concepts into one, Unix has held text processing and computing in general back several decades. This is fairly ironic, since Unix started out as a text proce
decimation: okay, so each bundle has a hash, and the privkey of that bundle is the hash of the list of all past hashes
Adlai is a little curious about this deed stuf
decimation: imagine a century from now, someone wants to verify a deed - he would need to transmit potentially millions of deed hashes
mircea_popescu: dude it grows 100% a year haven't you heard ?
decimation: is there going to be a 'reset' of the state of his deed 'knapsack' over time?
decimation: I have a question about deedbot
decimation: abe you were a murderous tyrant who birthed modern usg
decimation: actually it's a tacit admission that computers suck
decimation: it does seem like unicode is a natural fit for lisp
decimation: yeah, characters are properly objects with a variety of attributes, not numbers
decimation: someone should make a --cccp flag that enables ☭ as the BOM/EOM char for gpg
decimation: I think you had that rant a few months ago on that topic
decimation: like, are they going to send it on a 5-bit teletype?
decimation: why would anyone think it would be a good idea to escape chars below 7 bits?
jurov: We are MUCH safer than the other exchanges, each of which has spawned a huge list of horror stories from disgrunted customers.
mats_cd03: thats a nice picture of a chimp
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
asciilifeform is not pleased that these are presently more widely supported than the complete ascii set. but it's a fact.
jurov: how does a browser use them?
asciilifeform: jurov: because they get silently snipped by a thousand tools ?