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shinohai: I
thought I recalled an article somewhere where
these parents successfully sued a school for forcing
their son
to clap erasers as punishment because he developed breathing issues ....
mircea_popescu: (somebody came up with bright idea of making cone out of paper, filling with ground up chalk,
then pumping it out of
the narrow end. DESASTER!!! followed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform irl we had blackboards ; and every
teacher had asthma.
mircea_popescu: ie, slides AS YOU DESCRIBE
THEM (here's a shot of a whiteboard from another room, comment) work ; but
the idiocy normally deployed by
the empire
tards does not.
mod6: The
thinking was, now I can diagram
the
things, post an image, have
the other republicans look it over, and agree/disagree.
Then it can become part of
the
ticket
that gets entered, or at least linked in
the notes section.
shinohai would like
to
thank Forrest Mims for printing decent book I could understand at 8 and building lifelong obsession
mod6: i realized when
trying
to diagram out, for instance,
the notated split of
trb.node with
trb.wallet (posted in logs a little while back)
that I didn't have enough paper on 8.5"x11"
mod6: I also bought
this huge whiteboard ; 6'x4'
shinohai: It's a fun diversion. I have a plastic
tub full of resistors, ic's, etc. I got for pennies when local radioschack shat
mircea_popescu: the more a man knows,
the better a man he is. i wouldn't worry about it.
mod6: I won't let it side
track me from my main work. Just something
to futz with here and
there.
mod6: Now, alf has a bunch of steps on NSA's website. But
the gears were
turning before hand.
mod6: I
think I started
thinking about it a lot more recently when pondering
the auditing process of FGs.
mod6: and it's a fairly inexpensive foray into some of
that. for educational purposes.
mod6: thought it might be worthwhile
to learn a
thing or
two anyway.
mod6: i did wanna get a few xilinx boards
to play with... but first ill see what I can learn with
the other stuff I got. i also bought a soldering iron.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: we prolly should put one up just
to mess with people. it's not
THAT expensive by now.
mod6: So i bought one of
those rigol MSO1104Z-S deals, and a bunch of stuff. couple raspberry pi's,
three arduinos and a fairly large kit of sorts.
mircea_popescu: guy comes back later,
to
tell me
they have no others ; and i can buy
that one.
takes it over
to dispatch, "Hey, can you
take
this chair apart and pack it ?" "i'd love
to."
mircea_popescu: the difference is palpable,
too. me in computer store, sits down in char. "can i buy
this ?" "uh... it's
the display..." "you have no others ?" "brb i'll check"
mod6: I knew it couldn't have far off given recent bs in
the former locale.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yep
that's exactly
the sadness,
that all attempts ended up smoke or mirrors.
mircea_popescu: consider eg a * b > a + b.
this is basically cauchy pared down.
that
there's no direct path from one
to
the other is
the only last nail of hope (but mp, just because we've not found yet why it's fundamental doesn't prove it isn't. sure.)
Framedragger: i guess so - it doesn't seem capable of leading one anywhere, so
to speak. (this connects with (again) "generates nothing
to be falsified"). iirc
they
tried
to connect with "mirror neurons" etcetc "look we make it more concrete", but it was
too eclectic / a cheat (don't recall, for anyone curious
the article in question was iirc
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3223025/ )
mircea_popescu: ie, "this sounds great and explains nothing" ; much like
the void
thinking (void) ai program.
mircea_popescu: here, however, no such evolution. makes one fear
the idea is actually sterile.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with a little bit of aesthetics. but you certainly noticed
the very strongly monotonous abstractization function of actual knowledge. what starts life as banal observatrion of natural numbers ends up linked
to ever more complex manifestations in who knows what algebra / space / etc.
Framedragger: idea is stimulating
to me but maybe
that's about it.
mircea_popescu: there may be fundamental problems with
the very concept. (for instance : give an example of self-organizing heat exchange defect. "oh, life itself" what else ? "the
tornado
that happens in
the drain". mmkay.
the problem with not being able
to give examples of a
theory besides
the item
that prompted
the
theory is generally known as begging
the question.
Framedragger: guess so. (guess you can
trace quite a bit of jaynes in it yeah.) not enough evidence for sure, and not concrete enough (to generate falsifiable predictions, etc.)
mircea_popescu: the notion, in
the abstract, of POE seems splendidly meaningful
to excplain cognitive evolutionarily ; but any attempt
to pin it down in practice went ~nowhere afaik.
mircea_popescu: i recall
this
thing was one of
the (many) post-bicameral-world-excitement byproducts. it failed
to go very far.
Framedragger: but it's *expensive* and
there are lots of ways
to short-circuit
the mechanism (cheating
the award mechanism
to
think you've accomplished something, etc.) not rigorous at all but yeah
Framedragger: somehow reminds me of a
theory in social neuroscience (not original of course) whereby genesis of 'self-awareness' is attributed
to buildup of neural machinery
to predict what
the other social animals in a group are doing/thinking. you end up having
to predict what
the other animal is predicting *you*
to be doing, hence have
to have a model of your own attention/awareness.
Framedragger: balancing
the democracy stack
takes up lotsa memory...
mircea_popescu: the brighest dogs have iqs in
the 30-40 range, and yet
they can beat
the average human in ~average human~ contexts. what could be more humiliating of a "culture" i can not imagine.
mircea_popescu: there's
this runaway effect of unbounded self-referential complexity whereby everyone long forgot why
the fuck
they were doing
the
thing 184 steps back
that "it all" supposedly rests on.
Framedragger: reminds me of your story about observing a dog which attempted
to systematically find a new owner. sanest mammal in
town sorta deal
mircea_popescu: though it's
true
the dogs seem
to love
the idea. "finally! a sane human! ima go right
there and lick hi
to her!"
mircea_popescu: what
the everloving fuck will happen. nothing happens. dudes who don't have
the balls
to
talk
to women dressed sure as fuck won't
talk
to
them naked.
Framedragger: i'm sure
that down south
they'd also patronisingly stare at you if you dared smoke a cigarette in a park.
the scottish at least
tend
to give less of a fuck, but still a nanny state 100%
mircea_popescu: and
to
think it is all backed with
the nonsensical belief
that
THINGS WOULD HAPPEN!!1
Framedragger: oh yeah! nuts indeed :( sad view. and in general parks are a bore in
the uk
mircea_popescu: incidentally...
they fucking dress dogs now, don't
they. nuts.
mircea_popescu: do
they also have no nudity at public park laws or didn't check ?
Framedragger: and in general were snow
to appear,
they would go bonkers. like for instance use rakes in edinburgh
to
try
to make it disappear from streets (duly observed)
mircea_popescu: but frozen it was not, owing
to all
the vegetation, so
there is
that.
Framedragger: well so far all i've got is
that camera
temperature was allegedly 29 degrees (C) which makes me
to conclude after careful consideration
that it must be "some place real warm at night". :)
mircea_popescu: perhaps in
time
that becomes a social game. "where-in-the-world-is-mircea_popescu ?" now from
tabletop, inc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not mega seekrit, but momentarily seekrit owing
to
the procedings in
the last
trilema article
mircea_popescu: and i can't
tell you how fucking great it is
to not find oneself in a country as despicably idiotic, either. people shouldn't live with people
they hate.
mircea_popescu: also any kind of anything would stick out as a fucking sore
thumb out here. unless of course evil imperial agents learn how
to drive donkey uphill just like
the locals.
mircea_popescu: dude how
the fuck are 100ms roundtrips possible
to mp's interface in
the middle of fucking goatland i have nfi.
there's a half mile 20% average climb
to get
to his crow's nest.
shinohai: Oh so
THATS who
this guy is .... anonymint
mircea_popescu: it was a pretty lulzy
thread, something with a sauna. 2014ish or such.
mircea_popescu: didn't
the guy end up with a few week's enforced relaxation because he attempted
to reorganize some hotel/resort he didn't own or somesuch feats of confusion ?
mircea_popescu: i was born of a woman in
the usual way ; perhaps fit for friendship but certainly not fit for public worship. it may work in private with my own sluts, but
that is an insanely narrow and controlled environment.
shinohai: Or, mp may outsmart all you
top minds on
tardstalk/reddit - but perhaps I am biased.
mircea_popescu: (anyway, ftr i do not dispute
the "So
this exemplifies
that MP makes mistakes, is reckless, duplicitous, and may be borderline lunatic/sociopath who could lose his mind at some point and
totally REKT Bitcoin. We do not have decentralization with Satoshi's PoW." concept. examples are not needed ; mp is indeed all
the above and more.)
shinohai: "But I couldn't even stay in
the USA, because I am such a rebel. " <<< Like asciilifeform, my dosimeter is nearing max
mircea_popescu: not a matter of photoshop. besides i have a whole [unpublished] fucking set with
them. and for
that matter while she may be smarter
than him, she's certainly braver seeing how she DID
talk
to mp eh.
shinohai: "Thus I
think Mircea Popescu either hasn't
thought
this out entirely or he is counting on someone like myself (i.e.
the sovereign republic)
to fix it."
mircea_popescu: leaviong aside
the lulz of windows
titles for a moment.
mircea_popescu: perhaps appealing
to
their vanity will work where appealing
to
their absent intelligence failed ; after all everyone's got a vanity.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i recall
the correct way
to get dumb 16yo chicks
to shave
their snatch was
to convince
the other girls
that it's declase.
then
they convince each other.
mircea_popescu: im still in disbelief about
that not wholly digested experience.
shinohai: I now know how you and hanbot musta felt when you
tried
to *give* camgirls btc a few years back.
shinohai: Out of every ~1000 contacts a week, < 10 seem
to even give a shit about Bitcoin. Yet endless complaints about chargebacks and scams on other platforms.
mircea_popescu: after all,
the hos buy lipstick and it sure as fuck don't promise
that
to
them does it.
shinohai: It's like digging
through
the landfill hoping
to find
that HDD you
threw away with 20 BTC on it back in 2010 at
this point.
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: anyway, gotta say
that mod6's script and docs were great and very, very helpful
diana_coman: ha, wb mircea_popescu ; I left it on its own after I saw it was going ok, haven't quite
timed it
mircea_popescu: on a 100mbit link should
take no more
than half an hour!
diana_coman: mod6, list of deps for
trb from what I gathered on a fresh, minimal centos box: bc, gcc, g++, gpg, wget, perl, patch, rsync, sha512sum, unzip
mircea_popescu: “a chemistry is performed so
that a chemical reaction occurs and generates a signal from
the chemical interaction with
the sample, which is
translated into a result, which is
then reviewed by certified laboratory personnel.”
mircea_popescu: of course
there's a soap opera coming out
the other end. what
the fuck else ? people who can't
think "starting" "companies" hurr.
mircea_popescu: psssh. "women ceo" of
the libertard variety, "celebrity" bla bla, "billionaire by x". what
the fuck does anyoine expect out of
the soap opera circuit ?
mircea_popescu: be maintained in
the mid-60s, which facilitated her preferred daily uniform of a black
turtleneck with a puffy black vest—a homogeneity
that she had borrowed from her idol,
the late Steve Jobs."