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mp_en_viaje: you can build ok from gentoo work if in
there, but it won't work in centos world and vice0versa, "version number" irrespective.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:52:37 diana_coman: he's on gentoo so it should be more similar
to your env/packages/versions
though
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:41:50 asciilifeform: ( would also be Right
Thing for e.g. bootstrapping gnat, and related battlefield )
mp_en_viaje: trying
to maybe gwt out of it, hence
the work to spec "blog" in
the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for
trilema
TODAY ; i ain't
taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows
the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:38:11 asciilifeform: ( mp is fond of old php , but it suffers from 100% of same headaches , and in fact even slower , esp. if
the job is even slightly moar complicated
than wp ; he arrived at it same way i did at 'flask' -- picked up decade ago and 'it worx, i'ma pour cement on
this' )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:34:40 asciilifeform: saddest
thing is, i'm not even certain it's more retarded
than e.g. hunchentoot
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:27:23 diana_coman:
to cite from flask's description, for full allergy-triggers: A micro-framework for Python based on Werkzeug, Jinja 2 and good intentions
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:09:05 diana_coman: centos 6; because gentoo problem as you just described +
the poor moldavian guys anyway pretty much @kukuruz
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 13:10:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm working on organizing a break down of
the situation. It's a very map-heavy exercise
mp_en_viaje: hi all from
the comfortable insides of florimund, my european mobile mping station.
spyked: diana_coman, yeah, well I suppose
that's another reason why
the manifest mechanism is useful: if I signed a patch P at
t1, and later I found out
that it does something stupid or subtly malicious or whatever;
then at
t2 I can sign
the "inverse"
to P and give context
to
that signature in
the manifest (whoever
tries
to press
that has
to know why particularly I made some change)
diana_coman: ofc
there's alway 4. give up on it at
this
time
diana_coman: re logger atm I am undecided as my options so far seem
to be: 1. do another round of madness with flask until it works on
this old (but stable at least) centos 2. replicate environment aka burn down centos and have fun installing remotely on
the machine cuntoo 3. simply run irssi (as I'm otherwise running
this code anyway as my client) with logging
to db into an mp-wp database and be done with it (possibly each line a one comment - will end
diana_coman: spyked:
there's no way
to undo what one did, yes; make amends maybe, undo no.
spyked needs
to wake up; bbl,
tea
spyked: grrr... *is
that, *some signed piece
spyked: perhaps obvious) fact
that
the signature says something about
the signatory *at
the
time* when he/she has signed, not necessarily at
the
time
that I'm using
the object in question.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:25:11 diana_coman: but it's a more difficult
thing
to catch as it were: as above, it's unclear if "no signature" is a sign of "seeking
to hide imperfection" or of "no read" or wtf already
spyked: re.
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931011 <-- /me has been
thinking a bit about
this after reading
the discussion, and it occurs
to me
that one of
the reasons
that might keep people from signing items is
that
there's no way
to "unsign"
them. nor
that is desirable imho, but "what if" some sign piece of coad
turns out
to burn your house
to
the ground. in any case,
this reveals
to me
the (
spyked: tuff, which I suspect would make
the result no different
than either flask or hunchentoot
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:21:10 asciilifeform: diana_coman: rly it oughta be in
tmsr-adalisp (tm)(r) but
this apparently dun exist yet.
spyked: and
the only *quick* solution
that I can
think of here is signing
the binturd
that I've been using for
the last few years; if anyone has a better idea, pl0x
to chime in
spyked: problem remains one of bootstrapping: iirc sbcl requires a working lisp in order
to be built.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:47:14 mircea_popescu:
this understanding is current as of cca 2016. meanwhile we agreed
that because a) it is preferrable
to work with republican rather
than imperial items and
to prevent more imperial seepage
than needed ; and because b)
there's no limit
to signature count as per long standing observations and discussions (with a very early asciilifeform cca 2013 maybe)
then
therefore
the correct approach is
to sign
things early,
t snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:34:40 asciilifeform: saddest
thing is, i'm not even certain it's more retarded
than e.g. hunchentoot
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:54:01
trinque: lobbesbot, maybe it could pm instead
lobbes:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932106 << I agree
this is probably
the proper behavior. But it ain't changing anytime soon.
The heathen coad lobbesbot runs on [i.e. it doesn't sit on
the logbot
tree like auctionbot] is slated
to be discontinued just as soon as I get some more important
things complete. Not sinking any more
time
trying
to staple
that dead horse
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:54:34 asciilifeform: i recall lobbes was using some kinda system for sucking down py libs
that worked
through
the deps chain, but can't recall what was
lobbes: For clarity, on
testbed I got
the eater.py and
the reader.py working fine. Was able
to view loglines and search with no issue (on localhost only, didn't
test port forwarding). Did *not*
test
the bot.py, however. For reference, my version info: Flask 0.12.2; psycopg2 2.7.4; Python 2.7.15
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:52:37 diana_coman: he's on gentoo so it should be more similar
to your env/packages/versions
though
trinque: cool, got a big'n and small otw, arrives
tomorrow
trinque: link
to
the exact model? and I'll stand up my crossdev stack for it
trinque will pick up his own, but
thanks very much!
trinque: I've used
this
to great benefit
to blap down an embedded firmware
trinque: nah,
the one where you can
tell portage
to blast its built-proggie output
to a new root
trinque: looking for what
the env variable is
trinque: possible avenue of porting is
to stand up an amd64 cuntoo, and
then use crossdev
to rebuild all ebuilds at a specified root dir
trinque: trying
to learn in my old age
to
take half a smell of
the market before hauling off and building something
trinque: huh,
that's sort of annying behavior.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 15:27:44 asciilifeform: !Q later
tell
trinque didja ever post a arm64 cuntoo ?
BingoBoingo: A labor movement
that wants
the factories
to leave has no use.
BingoBoingo: The wide blackboard spread is because no one wants
to sit on pesos argentinas
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
The cambios buy per 0.38, sell for 0.98. Very infrequent
the blackboard rate is used with Argentine pesos, usually cambios offer better rates on pesos Argentinos for all but
trivial volumes.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-08 13:09:01 a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of
the people buying belgian rubber concessions on
the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with
the hands and feet.
BingoBoingo: The blackboard rate
today hit 0.38/0.98 compra/venta. Part of
this is intentional monetary policy re: "fuck Argentina", but
there being less distance between zero and compra
than compra and venta is a fairly new phenomenon.
BingoBoingo: No one depends on
the strength of Argentine paper holding
to prop up anything. Even Uruguay has adopted a strict decoupling from Argentina so as
to not sink with
them.
BingoBoingo: I don't see a situation where
the Chicoms step in
to save Argentina. Argentina isn't rich in natural resources like Vzla.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: China doesn't even particularly like Argentina.
The Argentine Navy shoots at
their fishing boats.
BingoBoingo: I suspect Mandarin is not a language in
the mundane sense.
BingoBoingo: Well, probably waiting for local labor prices
to drop enough
to outsource
the spear work
to
the Paraguayo immigrant population.