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asciilifeform: waste is a 2nd law invariant.

undata: mircea_popescu: the highschool in my home town was apty designed by a prison architect

undata: the US public school system is a prison system

undata acknowledges that a lot of people "doing it right" got smashed to pieces when the USSR collapsed as well

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since the iris young nitwit was mentioned, here's a q for you : how many maths or generally actual scientists you ever heard of that were full professors at 34 ?

mircea_popescu: people, of the common kind, can only be fed by a master.

asciilifeform: there is a reason why i say 'usaschwitz.' what's the actual problem, in most people's mind, with living in a concentration camp?

mircea_popescu: is obviously a dependency on the fucking master in question

mircea_popescu: because ars longa, vision short-a.

asciilifeform: thing is, food (per se) is presently a mostly free ride, for so long as petrochemistry keeps trucking.

undata: I know people with a greenhouse and a field that eat *very* well, better than I do.

asciilifeform: 'inventor must be wealthy' works about as well as 'computer ought to be a cow.' wouldntitbenice.

undata: asciilifeform: depends, are you teaching a new language?

asciilifeform: just as looking at a set of weights doesn't grow muscle.

asciilifeform: 'a hedgehog marches in the fog, with a rifle.' 'not funny at all, but at least it's a tale about war!'

adlai: should've chatted over a beer rather than hurriedly yapping on the road

mircea_popescu: then, after a moment of reflection, they said their goodbies and parted ways

mircea_popescu: eventually the turtle from osaka had enough of this indignity, and securely tying a salad leaf to its carapace, proceeded on the road to kyoto.

mircea_popescu: eventually the turtle from kyoto had enough of this indignity, and securely tying a salad leaf to its carapace, proceeded on the road to osaka.

mircea_popescu: an old turtle had lived for many years in a pond in osaka. in the later days a new concubine introduced a habit of launching ever more bright felinars at night, which bothered its sleep.

asciilifeform: undata: glorious leader given the power... tends to turn it into a masturbation implement << straight to aristotle's 'politics' on what the pill here is.

mircea_popescu: an old turtle had lived for many years in a pond in kyoto. in the later days a new concubine introduced a habit of throwing strands of silk over the pond, which became fashionable,

asciilifeform: asking inventors to always 'independently wealthy' is like asking your computer to harvest all of its energy (and material to create additional parts) from the environment on its own accord. a 'would be nice' scenario, but there are good reasons why it is not practical. machines that can do this exist, they are called animals, and generally have their own problems that prompt people to invent less-general machin

undata: glorious leader given the power to reshape society tends to turn it into a masturbation implement

undata: rather than just in a different shape

asciilifeform: i (and quite a few other folks) have a collection of own 'lilienfeld's transistors'

assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.

undata: asciilifeform: "knew" without a viable process to get to whats "known" is not "known"

asciilifeform: undata: otto lilienfeld has a transistor in the '20s.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> what does it actually take, in terms of resources, to keep a mathematician going? << food.

asciilifeform: (in fact, specifically implied that it took place on a planet with slightly less retarded inhabitants than this one)

asciilifeform: it was a fictional story, however, not an engineering recipe.

asciilifeform: what does it actually take, in terms of resources, to keep a mathematician going?

asciilifeform: let's try a physical approach.

asciilifeform: 'El coronel necesitó setenta y cinco años —los setenta y cinco años de su vida, minuto a minuto— para llegar a ese instante. Se sintió puro, explícito, invencible, en el momento de responder. — Mierda.'

chetty: sadly as long as people keep looking for a 'ticket' this will continue

asciilifeform met quite a few genuine thinkers, leaves of living matter in the great garbage disposal of u.s. academia. folks who spend 90+% of their time on 'grantmanship' while fully aware of the idiocy of the entire structure. but had no escape ticket.

mircea_popescu: it doesn't take some sort of official pronouncement, like the "chemistry foundation" of 1700 signed a statement that they "now hereby reject the heresy of alchemy"

jurov: plus, invented a scope

mircea_popescu: jurov yes. in hindsight. by people rejecting wholesale a 1000 years' pile of tradition.

asciilifeform: i've spent most of a decade trying to extract some nugget of living matter from 'computer science'

adlai: mircea_popescu: wovon << alongside silence, i'd say questions are also a valid response to ignorance

BingoBoingo: the incredible hulk << Actually a scientist

adlai: i'm not even sure how you'd go about doing such research in a real scientific manner... lots of noise in the signals

mircea_popescu: not a bad approach.

asciilifeform: 'In most (though not all) cases, all a designer must do in order to implement an unfeature is to refrain from tying the user’s hands in a particular way.' - yours truly

asciilifeform: ('lisp' as properly defined is not a programming language, but merely a catalogue of avoided mistakes in the construction of a programming language. see: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 )

mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (not the literal qwerty, but the 'platonic' qwerty seen as the overall human failing where folks agree on buggy shit and then cement it in place through 'sunk cost') << fwiw i disagree with this assesment. english is broken because it's a commercial pigdin, language without a country. the old languages of yurp are actually fine, and to this day more powerful than any synthetic syntax.

thestringpuller: asciilifeform: why are we speaking a broken language? what forces have caused this?

asciilifeform: quite like how rhyming is only a serious feat in badly broken human langs

asciilifeform does not regard quines as particularly interesting, because they are only a real challenge in retarded programming systems

adlai: it can end with the blockchain in a comment, and then when it's outputting, it just keeps spitting out blocks

mircea_popescu: is he like the only b-a jew or something ?

adlai: any program can be a quine

adlai: +mircea_popescu | it can't be a quine, it has to blockchain << who says those are contradictory?

mircea_popescu: "To broadly claim that socialism fails without examining its proper context and its successes is academically lazy, and betrays a rigidly static view of ideology. Pure and simple."

mircea_popescu: so his argument goes that well, ussr is not a good example of how socialism generates wealth because it wasn't rich enough to begin with, whereas china is very rich now, so maybe it will try sociaism, notwithstanding that the path it took to get rich is the same path everyone took o get rich, specifically antisocialism.

asciilifeform: like trying to scoop out the sea with a tea cup.

mircea_popescu: it can't be a quine, it has to blockchain

adlai: - is amazing, because CL actually has the concept of a quine programmed into it's specification

asciilifeform: next mircea_popescu will ask for it to be a quine.

gribble: c++ palindrome problem - C++ Forum - Cplusplus.com: <http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/29240/>; c++ - Check if a string is palindrome - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8362572/check-if-a-string-is-palindrome>; Palindrome in String C++ - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18326015/palindrome-in-string-c>

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes asciilifeform others : here's an idea, can you make the official code also be a palindrome ?

mircea_popescu: adlai it royally sucks as a "philosophy", or "economic theory", too.

ben_vulpes: thou art a fast reader indeed.

adlai: imo 'anthem' is much better, can be read in a single s(h)itting

asciilifeform: it's a perfectly serviceable women's pulp romance.

adlai: "ATLAS SHRUGGED royally sucks as a novel, with cardboard characters, rivers of contrived coincidence and dialogue made of macaroni http://www.davidbrin.com/aynrand.html#sthash.1W0F9hdP.dpuf

asciilifeform: adlai: a riotously entertaining book, as thickasthieves might attest

mircea_popescu: jurov yes but, a register increasing is this sort of leak. you're saying we fundamentally can't live in an immutable world.

mircea_popescu: here's a funny point about "supported by history", especially when one means "history as selected by me" :

mircea_popescu: then you'd have a memory leaking situation

asciilifeform: suddenly you end up in a bubble of finite size that's diverged from the rest of the universe << this featured in n. stephenson's mega-tale 'anathem'

asciilifeform remembers some rant (or was it a dream?) where 'dark matter' is universe-sim leaking memory

mircea_popescu: newtonian mechanics that leaked memory would be more like, suddenly you end up in a bubble of finite size that's diverged from the rest of the universe

mircea_popescu: <adlai> there's probably a nice little niche scamming these services << and a good thing for that, too. if there weren't no parasites praying on parasites we'd be awash in 'em

kakobrekla: adlai its a scam.

adlai: there's probably a nice little niche scamming these services

adlai: is this a payment processor? web wallet? "merchant portal"? whatever the fuck does that even mean?

adlai: from https://pocket.digitalx.com/ which appears to be trying to position itself as an entry point for a new wave of... some demographic that I can't quite pinpoint

adlai: here's a new word for the scamtionary: "pre-enroll"

mike_c: hehe, yeah. a book that mines.

mircea_popescu: a mechanical book wouldbe pretty cool actually

kakobrekla: mike_c a _MECHANICAL_ book.

mike_c: stan just wanted a book :)

mircea_popescu: btw, Auction of Souls is a must see, but preferably in the uncut version.

thickasthieves: didnt even last a day

thickasthieves: of course i had a following out with the jeweler so maybe not

chetty: never bought a ring for the wife?? :P

thickasthieves: chetty, gold is pretty available to a certain volume

chetty: <cazalla> it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out//check with wife, this also happens with freshly cleaned toilets sometimes

thickasthieves: someone already made a downvoting bot in a few hours

cazalla: it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out

chetty: <cazalla> so i take a piss and it's all red and i'm thinking i knew it, i knew it, it's fucking cancer// or ebola

thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> it does look like pussy, jurov's phone... /// but it does resemble a uterus

cazalla: then i remember i made beetroot relish for tmw and ate a bunch of beets while cooking

cazalla: so i take a piss and it's all red and i'm thinking i knew it, i knew it, it's fucking cancer

cazalla: missus gave me a filthy look when i got back though

BingoBoingo: What hardware B-A ran out of girls already?

mircea_popescu: "Selenium IDE is a Firefox plugin which records and plays back user interactions with the browser. "