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mircea_popescu: but of a meta-question. you're basically scoring yourself. "hopw likely am i to be able to answer someones' q's about this guyu"
fluffypony: I'd expect that someone that wants to deal with them will come talk to me and say "I see you did a $100 trade with rg...is he trustworthy?"
mircea_popescu: maybe i trade 5k btc a week with someone and i can't go past 1.
mircea_popescu: maybe i know everything i need to know about a girl from seeing her tits online. that's a solid 10.
fluffypony: so now I should not rate them?
fluffypony: I "know" nothing about them beyond that
mike_c: ah, i see.
mircea_popescu: "how did you manage a total score of 5000 while nobody of the 300 people i know ever dealt with you ?"
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I don't disagree with genericpersona, those ratings are far from the biggest threat to the WoT
artifexd: fluffypony: Sometimes I wonder if you are actually a small script that looks like "echo reddit.com"
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/M3nEjl6.gif
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers << it's not really a good idea, because spamming.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: nanotube: why show "total points" on rating page? i thought that was supposed to be a meaningless number. << it's not entirely meaningless. it reflects the probability of a user being in your network.
mircea_popescu: omfg this is the funniest thing i ever read.
godovo: I bet he didn't see it coming, lol
mthreat: i used to pay $10/month for someone to do my laundry in 'da pen'
mircea_popescu: On October 9, 2013, I made contact with CALIGIRL utilizing the Bitmessage program and the 'trusted' Bitmessage address CALIGIRL provided. << nice use of airquotes there lol
jurov: can i make the seal with the duble cherry truck?
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I'd be an excellent taxi driver
mircea_popescu: i dunno how exactly your users perceive your cp risks
mircea_popescu: i think
mthreat: I think it was on HN, oddly enough
mircea_popescu: mthreat now that guy i'd like to meet.
mircea_popescu: jurov this could work. you publish the list once a month on your blog, as mike describes, then i verify the totals.
unseen: mike_c I decided to trust MPEX.
jurov: mike_c whole setup makes api unfeasible. unless i limit it to 1 call/user/ 5 seconds
mike_c: fwiw, i've never heard a complaint about coinbr.
unseen: mike_c counter-party risk. I like the PGP signed order system.
mircea_popescu: (i know you think you know how it works, but srsly, read that thing)
mike_c: unseen: may I ask, any reason you don't use coinbr?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why the line was ever there though really << because children, essentially.
mircea_popescu: unseen well you can do whatever you want, but imagine i wrote to the new york times to ask them to revalue their subscripton costs because the "value" of the dolar in argentine pesos has changed.
unseen: mircea_popescu i still convert BTC to fiat in my head before spending, bad habit I guess. ..
mike_c: hell, i would take it for $200 for trolling :)
mircea_popescu: anyway, i readily grant fluffypony's much better than bitcoinpete.
mircea_popescu: i will.
mircea_popescu: and i'll be like... hey this here is ben vulpes, master of the vulpes. and this is pete d from canada
fluffypony: I like my nick
fluffypony: but I appreciate the offer
gribble: I have not seen pete_dushenki.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well i wouldn't buy the access FROM YOU.
mircea_popescu: it's like the best girl name anyway, but like this... omfg, i'll pay.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky" << srsly. most shit in spanish sounds poetic.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier << i like the girl, she's got word propriety. this is a rare skill, as it requires a lot more in depth knowledge than your average internet tard can possibly muster.
mike_c: misunderstood, i get it.
mircea_popescu: i wish there was some way to make a bitbet about this.
kakobrekla: anyway i think we jumped the gun on this, fortunate no harm done in either case.
mircea_popescu: ow shit, no, actulaly, i linked the logs in my response
mircea_popescu: mike_c i have a lot of experience with wanna-be spammer kids. this is simply "plausible denial", as they understand it.
mike_c: Top one is exact copy kako got. i think it's phishers.
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol << obviously they use gmail.com.
kakobrekla: so in that case, i guess not that amazing.
kakobrekla: it is indeed possible i was talking to phisher now that BigBitz pointed it out
mike_c: i'm surprised they had the balls for that.
kakobrekla: i was still in bed when lampelina came in yelling "lmao coindesk called you a fagot!"
BigBitz: and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol
kakobrekla: a follow up: >So I take that back and just give you a plain fuck you.
kakobrekla: i will send aplologies to the phisher.
mircea_popescu: basically coindesk is about to go out of business i take it.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yup i got one too.
thestringpuller: i thought WoL was the new rage?
rithm: i need to get in on that op channel with the special topic
rithm: idk i'm just a poor pawn.
rithm: i thought it was
rithm: maybe i've just seen it done so much and all the exploits and loopholes are closed now
rithm: then i created 12 more with btc addresses
artifexd: There was an anti-sockpuppet scheme that revolved around committing bitcoin for a certain amount of time. I'm having trouble finding the details right now.
rithm: making it cost prohibitive to shill ratings is the key i think
rithm: i don't have a solution sorry
ThickAsThieves: i'd donate money to a proper effort to make such things
punkman: rithm, not enough people for that I think
rithm: initially i was not
rithm: this whole WoT thing has gotten complex over time and usage. but I basically am on the mpoe side of the fence and i think these "bitcoin wot's" need to be pay-to-pay
rithm: right artifexd. i sortof behave here because my peers are watching and i'd hate for someone to think I'm not a person of my word
Blazedout419: Like I said I am over it
danielpbarron: bump me from a -2 to a -3 and i can't rate anymore :<
rithm: i hate to be exclusionary but
rithm: i do not have a solution but i think entry into the wot should be guarded
ThickAsThieves: i dislike the extreme which becomes possible with a "better" wot
jurov: ThickAsThieves i understood it as you dislike the need not to be anonymous for web of trust to work
danielpbarron: it's already solved; none of your shills are in my L1 (i think)
ThickAsThieves: jurov i dont understand what you said, probably because you misunderstood what i said
rithm: idenitity verification, not allow multiple accounts of some sort is the only solution i know of
rithm: i myself may or maynot have 14 shill accounts for ratings offsets
jurov: ThickAsThieves> one problem i have... etc..<< you seem to dream about some opaque oracle that will issue trustable rating info for anonymous identities
danielpbarron: well, it sorta does make a difference at the moment, because nanotube won't let you even give a rating if your score goes negative (i think)
rithm: am i identified
rithm: so in theory i agree with you because it's already happened to me and no fucks were given
danielpbarron: scammers aren't in my L1; I don't care what ratings they give..
rithm: and i've heard a lot of stupid shit
rithm: that's stupidiest thing i've ever heard come from this channel
danielpbarron: mike_c, yeh; that was my bad; I know them IRL; lesson learned there..
rithm: i can walk into the NYSE and call people idiots
danielpbarron: i'm on the verge of not being able to rate anymore because of idiots like you ( Blazedout419 ) in -otc
rithm: <danielpbarron> +i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
Blazedout419: nano is very fair though so it has not been an issue from what I have seen
danielpbarron: i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
danielpbarron: the one potential problem I see happening with nanotube's WoT, is that a small majority can prevent a user from even giving ratings..
ThickAsThieves: one problem i have for my vision of a decentralized wot, is when i simulate it in my end, it turns into a sort of international passport system over time and could totally remove anonymity from so many areas of life, and well, is that what we really want?
Blazedout419: I just think for a business the scores matter more