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mircea_popescu: it's just not that much of a prioritah jet.
mircea_popescu: http://lphoto1.ask.fm/453/619/198/910003027-1s773fl-e47199neshdsmf0/original/image.jpg << here's a happy goat just in case
asciilifeform: to round off my argument (i'm about to drive off for a spell) the 'pliant, obedient people who gotta suck it up or the lights won't turn on' aren't the h1b folks. they're the phactory gurlz in shenzhen.
bounce generated a gpg key with openssl once. because gpg won't generate dsa keys != 1024 bits
bounce: shattered argument is shattered. also, brb gotta hug a tree.
bounce: inasmuch that a random motor block conducts electricity. sure, but that's not really the point of it being shaped like a motor.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help me if someone took away a single germanium atom.
mircea_popescu: i have a computer here, it runs this irc session. right next to it, i have a wooden box. it is ALSO MADE OF MOLECULES. it runs nothing. they form a society of the items in my house. they're all molecules. i wouldn't fucking notice if the entire fucking wooden box went away.
bounce: I think we started out trying for find some sort of raison d'etre for a steady stream of h1b-grantees, didn't we?
bounce: it still stinks of running entirely on chumps, so all we got is a chumpatron. how does that matter?
mircea_popescu: not a matter of leaders.
bounce: leaders that can't lead lead to nowhere. if you can't anything but the meekest you're no good as a leader.
mircea_popescu: exactly how a plate of uranium glass may glow under uv light, but won't warm anything much.
mircea_popescu: harkens back to the entire "how come 300 milion usians living in the best world ever don't produce about 500 renoirs a year ?"
mircea_popescu: to try and heal this utterly scattered conversation : if you properly ignore most of society, the whole shebang depends on keeping the few that matter huming. if they hum too slow it cools and dies entirely. if they hum too fast it explodes, and you get a golden age.
asciilifeform: 'A few years back, one dreadful boy ran up to me and said, “Mr. Bradbury?” “Yes?” I said. “That book of yours, The Martian Chronicles?” he said. “Yes,” I said. “On page 92 where you have the moons of Mars rising in the east?” “Yeah,” I said. “Nah,” he said. So I hit him. I’ll be damned if I’ll be bullied by bright children.'
bounce: a little more
mircea_popescu: might be there a loooong time tho.
bounce: quite a few rilly smrt people populating silly valley. they produce things like... "social networks" and many many cookie-cutter technology companies. it doesn't seem that h1b folks, no matter how smart or many, can hope to seriously dent that dominion
mircea_popescu: whether at point A the three were motivated to work and at point B they were not is the clou of the matter.
mircea_popescu: allowing this as a fact : that at point A the three that mattered used thirty others to dance the ramma-butta, whereas at point B the three that mattered simply stayed indoors and piled items on top of other items is not what's relevant.
mircea_popescu: suppose out of a hundred people, ninety-seven don't matter. ever. irrespective of any consideration, if god strikes them down tomorrow nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform entertain this model for a second :
asciilifeform: ford, carnegie, et. al. worked at a tech level where perfectly-legit products required battalions of semi-skilled labourers
asciilifeform: if so, they're sucking a titanic phantom cock that never shoots its load
mircea_popescu: cocksucking's not a gendered role.
mircea_popescu: because france had a king and italy did not, it was able to import glassworks from france (and silk from china) and become a major producer, running it out of the market.
asciilifeform: scrap gravity a hundred times, rocket somehow did not get the memo
punkman: jurov, I just sent a mail to the list
cazalla: i didn't even last a day, or another day after that
ninjashogun: I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)
asciilifeform not really much of a gamer today. games mostly ended for him with the sunset of ms-dos.
asciilifeform: love a good crt.
thestringpuller: i guess i'm a baby. i don't remember a time when that didn't exist.
thestringpuller: not much a of a gamer asciilifeform ? lol
asciilifeform: or let it stay a beautiful delicious riddle.
ninjashogun: It wasn't machine generated. I made it by hand in a word processor.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: You point to a machine generated graph you submitted as right, but which was wrong
asciilifeform: isn't it a beauty? how did they even get the bloody thing going without decoupling caps?
asciilifeform: i might like to release a proggy for them one day.
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you think that work is failing (though you aborted the draft early, but it literally included a dependency graphy exactly as you requested) then you're entitled to it. At least I did it as you requested.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: You contibuted failing work on a simple paper about spinoza
ninjashogun: Hi. I was informed some people from here were talkiing shit about me? I don't have any interaction with this channel (and haven't for months) - if you have any specific complaints (or areas for room for improvement in the future) you can tell me. My reading is that this is a very low-signal troll community. (For example, cazalla's rating of my on WoT is after he gave me an Australian police department's number, not his own. Asciil
asciilifeform: story doesn't have a happiend either. i still buy'em.
asciilifeform: 5 portables i owned with nvidia bga-mount packages, 5 died within a month or so of warranty expiration.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, the colonies (as mircea_popescu helpfully points out) never really grew into their father's shoes. << They played, the Great White fleet was a thing for a few months in Siam
asciilifeform: from the pov of a wilhelmine german, culture is where he is, and the english are a buncha pedos.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: likbez takes time unless a less ruminant thinker than myself writes likbez... (hint)
supay: there was another mention of a reason for the price drop - a lot of companies now accepting bitcoins. but how does that work?
BingoBoingo: Seriously BTC is a hard business this year. Jurov is surviving, barely, on 10 customers
supay: the logs you linked me to have a mention of how the FBI seize of the SikRoad BTC might be a cause.. i've heard a lot of people saying the same, would that be nearly true?
BingoBoingo: supay: Qntra takes a lot of things.
supay: oh, okay.. thats seems sad considering a lot of people were expecting it to jump up all of a sudden..
supay: haha, im only here to get your opinions and possible explanations for the same.. i dont have the know how to write a paper etc
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'm working on a summary, if you can beat e to it submit it for publiccation
supay: doing a small presentation about bitcoins for my 'technical seminar' at school! :)
decimation: I've heard that there is quite a large number of germans in australia
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude) << Because the previous generation used their surplus income to establish petit dynasties
decimation: what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country << Twas inevitable. Blame the WASPs
decimation: I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country
cazalla: and i was not much a fan of them until i lived with one indian guy and he made the best hainanese chicken so all is forgiven
BingoBoingo: Networking, priveledge, reciptority, these are old mechanics. There were Roman Charioteers who earned more from sport than A-Rod could imagine
cazalla: the indians come to australia on a 457 visa to work at places like mcdonalds
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law << Of course, even with the obamacare bezzel established families in medicine have a strong advantage
BingoBoingo: That is why stan doesn't atm have a ranch and to bitches trained in rifle-fu
BingoBoingo: <assbot> From Germany to Mexico: How America’s source of immigrants has changed over a century | Pew Research Center << I'm not refering to the most desperate, I'm talking about empire building follow from history http://www.circlek.com/history-and-timeline?language=en to the current reality
assbot: From Germany to Mexico: How America’s source of immigrants has changed over a century | Pew Research Center
decimation: where were they in 1910? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/27/a-shift-from-germany-to-mexico-for-americas-immigrants/
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only on paper, the real power is there are always poor kids in India with dreams and a work ethic
BingoBoingo: gernika> What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom. << Goal oriented activity
gernika: What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/. << For a generation at least, but there's always more people with a work ethic who can sustain the system.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i wish you all a happy nov 6th and laters!
asciilifeform: we have a pestilence of these in wash., d.c.
mircea_popescu: imagine this. romanian rural population, making ~2-3k a year, thinks themselves better.
mircea_popescu: was an obgyn in china. had a wife, math teacher.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a slave is a slave. the responsibility for his actions is his master's.
mircea_popescu: well, it's a skill.
mircea_popescu: just, at a skill the puritanical state refuses to name. "slavery" say.
asciilifeform: but it's still a laugh.
asciilifeform: now, the 'protectionist case' is not made here, because 'where there is a great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'
asciilifeform has the misfortune of working with quite a few 'h1b' folks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
asciilifeform: 'Does this make sense as a career for anyone? Absolutely! Just get out your atlas.'
mircea_popescu: in short, you're better off living in a country of immigrants than in a coutnry of citizens.
BingoBoingo: US election baramoeter highlights: http://thesouthern.com/ap/politics/quinn-concedes-illinois-governorship-to-rauner/article_e4fc81ba-82e3-5ddb-a6e4-d6a25018e068.html Also this guy won a distric that was blue for 70+ years www.suntimes.com/news/marin/12915506-452/viral-rant-makes-instant-folk-hero.html
asciilifeform: 'it takes a brave fellow not to be a hero in the soviet army.'
asciilifeform: (yes, that's a phrase.)
decimation: asciilifeform: I didn't realize that the soviet army was a 'volunteer' organization
asciilifeform: and yes BingoBoingo that's a mosin.
mircea_popescu: it' s a journey of discovery
decimation: lol is that a recruiting poster?
asciilifeform: because if so, we're in a dire spot.
decimation: it seems to me that sqllite might make a reasonable stand-in for bdb
mircea_popescu: i read enough to know the person is not only never going to produce a good solution, but is actually ignorant enough to not even realise what the difference may be, and on top of that impudent enough to imagine this not to be so.
asciilifeform: a -good- solution by nobody - might have chance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point is merely that if a space already has a bad solution, implementing a bad solution by nobody is stupid.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa << IPA is the java of the linguistics world.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let's consider the general point. a) elvis at the hight of his popularity offers a beer to anyone that runs a mile in five minutes ; b) totally unknown autistic otaku offers a million internet funbutts to anyone that runs a mile.