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asciilifeform: 'don't worry, sizzling in electric chair, ohm's law is a lie'
mircea_popescu: well, the reason might be that there couldn't be such a thing. there's nothing that makes "good science" better than a pile of shanonized papers.
mircea_popescu: let's approach on a different tack.
mircea_popescu: not every whore is a partner you'd entertain, but that has little to do with the principles involved.
mircea_popescu: not every hammer is a microscope TO YOU
asciilifeform is firmly persuaded that every microscope is a hammer. however, not every hammer is a microscope, demonstrably. and therein lies the boojum.
mircea_popescu: if you recognise a naive romanticism in one field, the other should also be obvious.
mircea_popescu: and, obviously, fucking. ie, a manipulation of the subject according to the rules of the reality it inhabits.
mircea_popescu: the sort of understanding you propose is a relationship between mind and object that's transcendental. the ready comparison is the supposed transcendental relation between man and woman.
undata: one of you is using understand in a much stricter sense than the other.
asciilifeform: wide net, but somewhere in it there flops a fish, 'understanding'
asciilifeform: well, if i had to give an example of 'understanding', involving 'transformation', i'd offer the transformation of pebbles on a beach (original 'calculation') into well, calculation, and mathematics, and, ..., nukes.
asciilifeform: i'd have to disagree that 'understand' is a null-word.
asciilifeform: (not related to above, but a contemporary)
asciilifeform: weizenbaum, author of iconic 'eliza', also understood how little a mechanism really needs to 'understand' in order to give an idiot the illusion of 'understanding.'
asciilifeform: d a lot of people, most prominently himself, and enrage a lot of others.'
asciilifeform: 'programs to a great degree are problems rather than solutions. If a researcher tries to write an "understanding" program, it isn't because he has thought of a better way of implementing this well-understood task, but because he thinks he can come closer to writing the implementation. If he calls the main loop of his program "UNDERSTAND ', he is (until proven innocent) merely begging the question. He may mislea
mircea_popescu: of course it does, but so ? energy states in a semiconductor also conflict, in the abstract
mircea_popescu: basically, to teach a muppet something you must construct a literary work which jives with the preexisting dreamworld he inhabits
mircea_popescu: will ONLY learn from fiction, inasmuch as they find a way to link it to their own fiction.
asciilifeform: reddit, as i understand, is a world of 'class 3' learners - 'must piss on electric fence himself'
mircea_popescu: myeah. and this matters, because the non-wot world is like, totally a world and anything, and what happens outside of b-a ctually happens, and non-notarized documents actually carry weight and everything
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something tells me i won't be getting the "mp's blog, first place to announce tor is shit, a year or so ago" all over the "tech" "press". just like i didn't get the "mp forces wikileaks to release unedited cables by publishing the romanian subset" a few years back
asciilifeform found it very surprising that tor survived as a going concern after 'heartbleed'
mircea_popescu: dude, topless chicks being a big deal, you already know you must be in ameristan
undata: they apparently have a whole religion
TomServo: Here's a comical introduction to Juggalos for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulGaxBPk2jI&list=UUfR7gRIYmZbGjhhrRJCwpmw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=juggalo | juggalo. For the most part, an uneducated, pathetic excuse for a human being who listens to the group ICP who are bold enough to actually consider themselves ...
asciilifeform: (or perhaps not. i do know he's corralled a good fraction of the 'russian' confections business)
undata: the juggalo thing is a bizarre example of marketing turning into some weird semblance of a 2-way belonging
xanthyos: i've seen a video of a duck nursing from a cat because its own mother was gone.
mircea_popescu: Mickey Mantle? That's what you're upset about? Mantle makes $ a year. How much does your father make?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to quote a bronx tale :
mircea_popescu: it's almost like watching a cell react in an infection, all sorts of bizarro mechanisms that you don't even dare declare exist seem to work in werido ways.
mircea_popescu: in short, there's a very deep valley between "windows user who thinks himself into bitcoin because he recognises the term" and "bitcoin user".
asciilifeform: i predict that when the hunter 'shoots', it will be 'spun' to look like a 'protocol' (or even crypto) break, of one kind or another
asciilifeform: i inevitably picture a hunter, trying to avoid 'spooking' the birds
Adlai: also, a skilled thief would target other stacks after/while people start leaving the brokenest one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a skilled turdmeister (especially of the privvy-to-microshit-remote-orifice variety) will leave nothing to find.
Adlai: how can you vanish coins without leaving a forensic trail?
mircea_popescu: back then it was a big deal, wallets being unencrypted.
asciilifeform: Adlai: but today is not that day. and when it comes, it will be coated in enough parallel construction to kill a herd of elephants.
Adlai just had a conversation with assbot
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 02:55:38; asciilifeform: 'swamp donkey' << lol! apparently a usg version of 'cryptolocker'
BingoBoingo: ALong with the sort of marketing shill who just wants a check and will endorse any idiocy
mircea_popescu: gave the locals a start.
mircea_popescu: got out in the night, put the boer flag on the local fort, filled a cannon with a blank shot and a long fuse and well...
mircea_popescu: lightoller, back during his time in the navy, was on a ship visiting south africa during the boer war
BingoBoingo: Well, a lot of the problems Bitcoin solves aren't relevant to ISIS
Adlai: ok, i'll admit, isiscoin serves to attract investment capital away from bitcoin, and acts as a potentially stabler store of value for dollar-averse wealth
asciilifeform: the 'uncrushable' thing was more of a marketing literature, tbh
mircea_popescu: when a ship is sinking, the officer is to do EXACTLY what's done.
mircea_popescu: a ship is sinking is undisputably the worst time to be going out doing "research".
mircea_popescu: Lightoller is a particularly bad example, by the way.
asciilifeform: faraday's 'what use is a baby.'
asciilifeform: quite a few of the ancient science-fictional machines of early 20th c. imagination.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, seriously, cold fusion would actually make the "local production" stuff that link earlier was harping about a reality.
mircea_popescu: ifsomeone wanted to manage a portofolio of ws shortness for btc, it'd prolly rock.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well for lack of a mm actually.
asciilifeform: in prolonging agony - quite a bit.
asciilifeform: modern-day physicists want a demonstrable equivalence principle violation the way they want horsecock.
asciilifeform: or rather, lack of experiment, because the entire sub-field formed a 'solid blue wall' against herr schwartz
asciilifeform: 'If it ever becomes generally known that cold fusion is real, how will the scientists who opposed it react? A few may take responsibility and go down with the ship, retiring from academic life. I hope that most will regret their actions, and try to prevent such a thing from occurring again. Some will react the way Lightoller did, blaming Pons and Fleischmann. They may say the traditions and customs of science a
asciilifeform: wood was a proper, full-bore polymath.
mircea_popescu: being a physicist doesn't make one immune, only diffusion makes one immune.
mircea_popescu: this is something a politician is keenly aware of, but since the expert's brain actually functions, he's no politician.
mircea_popescu: the #2 reason it is idiotic is that discussion has remanence, poker hands do not. expert 30 years in has a fucking string of noted down examples of having done this, people with an ideologic interest can use to strangle him with
mircea_popescu: the #1 reason it is idiotic is that the inept player may actually and usually does notice the loosening, and takes this as a honest signal that the expert is bluffing
asciilifeform: without recalibrating, when in fact a good one will run reliably for months.' ( http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf )
asciilifeform: still believes that cold fusion calorimetry indicates real excess heat, the frustrated expert may resort to extreme, untenable claims, such as a statement that no calorimeter has an error less than 10%, when in fact the error margin for top-quality conventional instruments is on the order of 0.1%. Or he may wave his hands and say calorimeters are so undependable that you cannot run one for more than a few days
asciilifeform: 'This sort of illogic is rampant in debates about cold fusion, particularly when experts respond to irritating, unwelcome suggestions made by amateurs. They start out cautioning the amateur that instruments such as calorimeters have a margin of error, and calorimeters frequently malfunction with leaking cooling fluid and other problems. When the expert senses the message is not getting through, and the amateur
asciilifeform: i wanted a book on 'j' 5 or so years ago, had to go to a library with spy camera.
mircea_popescu: a few...
assbot: Notation as a tool for thought: Wavelets in J | Locklin on science
asciilifeform: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/notation-as-a-tool-for-thought-wavelets-in-j << for aficionados of peculiar programming systems
mircea_popescu: davout: disabling all CSS would be fine << he has a point there, just de-css-ify it for mobile, will be fine.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin software does not appear to be vetted to such an extend. << the english-t to d migration is soooo indicative of a native romanian speaker you can't imagine.
BingoBoingo: It's a mystery
mats_cd03: im hurting from s.mpoe taking a dive
davout: punkman: "uses a different (and simpler) way to check that the public keys used to make the signature are valid" <<< sounds sketchy
punkman: for future reference: "gpgv" is somewhat smaller than the fully-blown gpg and uses a different (and simpler) way to check that the public keys used to make the signature are valid.
cazalla: i'll speak with BingoBoingo and see what we can, might be a plugin that will make it more mobile friendly
punkman: does this have a good signature? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0nULimNT
cazalla: putin is due to land here within a few hours with obama due in the morning
mircea_popescu: http://esr.ibiblio.org/ << shit, ers had a blog ?
punkman: nubbins`: so maybe deedbot shouldn't be stripping the \n at eof << it's not really, just doesn't care for anything outside the first and last dash of a gpg message
mircea_popescu: apparently i wrote a lot.
mircea_popescu: i wrote a little about the nuttery of it, back in romanian days. lemme see if i can find it.
dgeats: in real estate not by accident, it’s still a major part of the economy
dgeats: about a week into the logs, lots and lots to catch up on
dgeats: I’m a “REALTOR”
dgeats: sup b-a
assbot: Definitive proof that Satoshi Nakamoto is James A. Donald. | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing the internet sewer, https://bitcointa.lk/threads/definitive-proof-that-satoshi-nakamoto-is-james-a-donald.320588/
BingoBoingo: Oh, but without fears of a Stalin, they only way to develop it requires insuring it.
BingoBoingo: I guess fuckups are easier to insure on a smaller reactor?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is a miniaturized version easier is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: he reduced size — just 10 feet by 7 feet — will allow Lockheed to “design, build, and test the CFR in less than a year.”
assbot: Lockheed says it’ll make a truck-sized fusion reactor within 10 years | ExtremeTech