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a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797132 << this counterstructure argument is actually quite strong ; may indeed be stronger than the proponent realizes.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797532 why stronger than i realize? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 17:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797053 << should be interesting once spyked wakes up lel.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797528 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797506 -- in case you're interested in the ecc stuff more, the formally verified fiat and hacl implementations are not the only ones we have. we also have constant time accelerated x86 adx and bmi2 implementations https://git.zx2c4.com/WireGuard/tree/src/crypto/curve25519-x86_64.h and also constant time accelerated arm neon implementations ☝︎☝︎
trinque: saturn_: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796948 ☝︎
asciilifeform: saturn_: iirc he processes withdrawals nightly
deedbot: saturn_ voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up saturn_
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is of course another way to get dry air
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: roughly
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: don't fixate on the cooling ; i proposed it as simple means of producing 'dry' air
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you'd want prolly something like the 'mouth' of mig-15
asciilifeform: btw ben_vulpes probably has held in his hands, the tube : they are often found in machine shops
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: colour me thick, but how does the compression of oncoming gas ~pull out~ heat ? consider how 'reentry heat' comes about.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc wirbelrohr works just the same on liquids
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gives you clean, h2o-free o2, if the spigot is placed correctly in the vortex, as i understand
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 07:30 ben_vulpes: 2015, btw, aviationweek http://aviationweek.com/space/reaction-engines-reveals-secret-sabre-frost-control-technology
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796970 << here's a thing i wondered about for many yrs : is there any reason why a wirbelrohr could not do the job of 'frost control' in an 'airbreather rocket' ? ☝︎
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trinque: spyked: any chance you want to do mircea_popescu's requested RSS bot? I've got plenty on my plate as it stands.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 17:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797053 << should be interesting once spyked wakes up lel.
trinque: I will at least say mircea_popescuine features come way first.
trinque: adios mircea_popescu
trinque: !!gettrust ben_vulpes trinque
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: blake2 is bernstein's hash ( consists of a slightly modified chacha, his symmetric algo ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aite, i'ma return to packing launch capsule, bbl
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 23:07 mircea_popescu: In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797132 << this counterstructure argument is actually quite strong ; may indeed be stronger than the proponent realizes.
britknee: hi mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asking not for average, but for bounds
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to elaborate
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797142 << understand, the discussion here is re cryptographic hardness, not mathematical hardness ; as discussed otherplaces in the logs, the mathematical notion of difficulty is "what's the absolute hardest case this problem can yield", because they want to offer maximal flop guarantees ; cryptographically it is kinda opposite : what's the LOWEST difficulty a problem in this class may yield
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: That think was the commercial item that defines the standard
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> i have been seduced into liking sugary delights! << It's scarcely been more than a month since a fractional alfajore gave you sugar shock
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 16:12 zx2c4: things like RSA boil down to number theory problems. but that's in a sense scarier than the set of problems that good block ciphers tend to boil down to. because it means that those primitives have lots of _structure_, and generally structure is something that can be exploited. just look at all the amazing and fantastic attacks on things with structure. so just boiling down to a [currently considered] "hard problem" doesn't provide as much solace
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's mechanically-unrolled .
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes all the Order deny,allow Deny from all Allow from x thing does is lock out by ip ; it's not even generated by wp itself ; it can be implemented any way, iptables, csf, whatever.
ben_vulpes: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d << this sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wp doesn't actually care how .htaccess is implemented ; only that it works.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the .htaccess files included with/generated by mpwp include the `Allow` incantation, which is not a thing in apache 2.4; trilema purports to run on 2.4.16; can the Order/Allow incantations be replaced with the 2.4-style Require?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you should see the britt chocolate covered macadamia nuts.
ben_vulpes: well they are a far cry from the mango gelato of mircea_popescu's haremfactory but goshdarn these alfajores are magical with coffee in the morning
zx2c4: https://github.com/alkhimey/Ada_Kernel_Module_Toolkit
asciilifeform: zx2c4, mircea_popescu : it is quite trivial to build a kernel mod with gnat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zx2c4's thing ? nope, notyet
asciilifeform: cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system << likbez
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you need a svg-capable wwwtron
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it shows up here
zx2c4: i suppose your point is that you _could_ choose to obscure the lengths of the messages youre sending back? whereas with zero that isnt a possibility?
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: padded protocols infoleak in multiples of the padding. you get to see if a given packet elicited a 0 reply, a 16 reply, a 32 reply, a 48 reply, and so forth
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: see logs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see log
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: an attacker can also distinguish between a length 15 message and a length 31 message. i still maintain this doesnt give an attacker anything useful
zx2c4: there _are_ attacks, on say voice compression algorithms, which can gather some information from having precise sizes alone, which is why things are padded to nearest 16. but i dont see what would be gathered by what youre suggesting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu do you have a link to the famous penguin handy ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 16:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796991 << let me ask you this then : why do you send an encrypted empty message when heartbeat fails ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i see is, the cell is there, but there is no indication that it is connected , as it ought to be, to red lights, siren, and dropping of reactor moderator rods
zx2c4: noise defines several different handshakes. wireguard uses Noise_IKpsk2, which is 1-RTT. But there are other noise handshakes, some of which are 0-RTT, 1-RTT, 2-RTT, 1.5-RTT, and so forth. each handshake message can optionally contain a payload -- to contain things like, say, certificates or other data. the question is at which stage of the handshake do you use the payload parameter? if you do it too early in some, you get zero confidentiality. so
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 16:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture if the selector on kalash had a 'fires backwards' position.
zx2c4: wireguard uses Noise_IKpsk2
asciilifeform has 1 more q for zx2c4 , after mircea_popescu finishes
mircea_popescu: speaking of which and ben_vulpes boyhood dreams, ssto and so on : i dreamt last night that someone actually managed to create that true wunderwaffen material, the composite/ceramic with higher tensile strength than steel, but negligible caloric conductivity. making some iiiincredible jet engines.
zx2c4: well, feel free to keep filling up my wallet, say, with thousands of coins O_o
zx2c4: O_o
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 16:32 mircea_popescu: now let's look at the logs :
asciilifeform: zx2c4: they're for mircea_popescu to decrypt; it makes the command go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol notyet, i did the 'civilized' thing as you suggested.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: no, thought it was quite productive actually
asciilifeform: zx2c4: i'ma leave the rest of the session to mircea_popescu , owner of this chan, and my co-author in e.g. the FUCKGOATS auditable trng, https://archive.is/CGQkR )
zx2c4: hello mircea_popescu
zx2c4: things like RSA boil down to number theory problems. but that's in a sense scarier than the set of problems that good block ciphers tend to boil down to. because it means that those primitives have lots of _structure_, and generally structure is something that can be exploited. just look at all the amazing and fantastic attacks on things with structure. so just boiling down to a [currently considered] "hard problem" doesn't provide as much solace ☟︎
zx2c4: key compromise impersonation is what happens when somebody steals your private key, and then can impersonate anybody else _to_ you
zx2c4: hello. mircea_popescu asked me to come here for two hours to field some questions about wireguard from you all. i'm not very familiar with this channel or the community in it, but i am happy to talk to whomever about wireguard. so let's start the timer now?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 04:24 mircea_popescu: and in other logs, "CL-Feed-Parser/0.0.00 (SBCL 1.4.5; Linux;"
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 01:31 mircea_popescu: spyked but why would it be difficult in that way ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-19 18:25 mircea_popescu: are you aware i think your "formal" model is a piece of shit from paragraph one ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you realise the 0.5 is measured through dns and all that ? did you do same with nginx ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nginx can serve hanbots in .01s, not the .6 of apache
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-12 06:49 ben_vulpes: hanbot danielpbarron: apache with mod_php is, sadly, much slower than the nginx setup we've had until now. however now we can move forward with getting your .htaccess files set up and uploads and such. i'm going to knock off for now but please let me know how i can support your mp-wp projects next.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thank you so very very much.
mircea_popescu: anyway ben_vulpes here's where you thank me profusely for having saved you dicking about with entirely nonbroken stacks for an alfternity.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lmao she smokes ya
mircea_popescu: just look how well supplied ben_vulpes is!