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trinque: I think it's beneficial to have the thing able to run as
a livecd, with option to install.
trinque: walking through the list of firmware one needs for these isn't insurmountable. I've got
a radeon box sitting here that runs cuntoo
mircea_popescu: in fairness, game as it stands works fine w/o acceleration anyways. so it's
a lot more portable in practice than the theoretical extension.
trinque: so the target is
a tower of some kind
a sharp kid might have, or be able to build
mircea_popescu: the notion browsers are portable is
a lot like the notion women are whores.
mircea_popescu: if i knew of something giving
a leg to stand on i'd push it, but atm got nothing there, so yeah
mircea_popescu: there's two portions current minigame strat needs from os. there's
a server os, which has to be static-linkable. there's
a client os, which has to be portable and support gfx.
trinque: heh, where's the quote where you say if you're worth
a shit, being poor just kinda brushes off.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 16:59:38 jfw: dorion and I have
a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it
a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
mircea_popescu: now, as to the putative customer approach : i dun specifically want to make
a new os for every single app we come up with. i'd like to make one and be done with it, such that minigame can use it, trb can use it, everyone can fucking use it.
mircea_popescu: i dun think you're
a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in
a house with
a lot of door slamming as
a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 13:51:42 mircea_popescu: and as to the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned. the logs since
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie
a week ago are sorely missing
a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do that". this is what separates the bois from the men : FIRM committments.
trinque: I came in offering to mentor both lobbes and spyked in starting
a business, and this is "omg, faggot, do actual work" ?
mircea_popescu: and i dunno what the gap is! make it plain, what is it, what's the difference between whatever this is and whatever
a business'd be, an' pinpoint the allergy neh ?
trinque: and why are you soviets so damned allergic to structuring things *like
a business*
BingoBoingo can't recall
a single log day with this much signal and so little noise
lobbes: mircea_popescu, I'm currently using
colocation america but the jury is still out on them imo. They are very responsive and accommodating, but I'm only renting
a server from them (have not tried actual colocation)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He already became
a Northern Hemisphere problem. Also landed in the other hotter, drier (zebu cattle) guay.
mircea_popescu: cool. the only thing is... i'd like
a distant server. where do you currently host ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think seconds are meaningful, irc is not resolvable to
a second resolution anyway
mircea_popescu: i thought we had
a discussion re formats at some point, was gonna bold names and whatnot. was it in my dreams ?
mircea_popescu: ok. as
a preliminary step, ima publish old logs on trilema, so they're in the db, so they get transferred automatically.
diana_coman: I'm just applying his previous great-sentence since it's such
a catch-all, lolz.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: well, I was under the assumption you'd get
a box with
a trilema copy, and then I'd stand up bot on said box
mircea_popescu: conceivablt mocky also shows up, we have
a great ole party.
mircea_popescu: only as
a temporary measure if anything. help them build
a solid basis upon which to properly disdain the engineers.
mircea_popescu: jfw, hey, it's
a free slavery thing, people can do their own part
mircea_popescu: spyked, what sorta time could you commit on
a weekly basis, if this tmsr os megaproject actually gets going ?
mircea_popescu: lobbes, how long till i get to testrun that delivery!!! i'm leaving for the orient in
a few weeks you realise!
mircea_popescu: there;s oodlebunches of work in
a large project that don't involve scrutinizing arcana
dorion: right now I'd take the former because I think I'd be more useful in
a shorter period of time.
jfw: good then. Is there
a particular level of time commitment you're looking for on the OS project as far as manpower?
jfw: My understanding from earlier cuntoo thread is someone needs to step up to *own* the project; to be clear, I doubt I'd be prepared for such
a thing right now, but yes it works for me to work with other people.
mircea_popescu: well, so would an arrangement whereby you work with other people to develop
a workable tmsr os work for you then ?
jfw: I've committed fully to diana_coman's mentorship,
a big part of which is because I want to be useful in the republic generally.
mircea_popescu: so what is your commitment towards this thing ? kinda like
a fun weekend project, or what is it ?
mircea_popescu: not that this generally does anything. but it's also never
a bad idea to be plain with people.
mircea_popescu: dorion, yes, well, i'm not young hands ; and i'll tell you what anyone in
a similar position will tell you : code made to oder and not published is generally suspect of being, at least in the view of some party somewhere, their property.
jfw: source tarballs, though there's
a TRB too.
mircea_popescu: what, you delviered to said customers
a bundle of v-patches /
mircea_popescu: but is this
a registered corp ? or some kind of informal arrangement among friends ?
mircea_popescu: so when you say customers or w/e, is this more of
a manner of speaking ?
mircea_popescu: so this'd basically be
a server thing, by its nature, rather than
a general purpose os
mircea_popescu: in case 1, you know for
a fact it won't be possible to have gfx with your thing, it has to be thrown out / redone / the thing that can do gfx can't carry the same name as your thing meaningfully.
mircea_popescu: man 2 comes and says "hullo... i have anothe rsolution. i call it '
a virgin'. she's
a bitch to get along with, but..."
mircea_popescu: you can't have children with
a dog, it is necessarily out of the question.
mircea_popescu: man 1 comes and says, "hi, i have
a solution to this. i call it 'dog'. it's very companionable."
mircea_popescu: do i have to throw out gales if i decide to use graphics as
a given necessity or don't i
jfw: I expect that'd be quite difficult, its libGL is
a glibc-based .so
jfw: I've built
a basic X stack (no 3d accel) on dynamic-linked musl, the biggest uncertainty to me there is whether it'll work static since it's module-oriented
mircea_popescu: so as
a purely theoretical exericse, what'd gaining x support entail iyo ?
jfw: I've manually done
a linux kconfig, as one might on gentoo w/o genkernel
mircea_popescu: so it's basically
a training tool, as far as that goes,
a didactic example
jfw: dorion and I have
a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it
a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
jfw: It's
a Linux distro I put together, in
a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
diana_coman: in other lolz, I contacted yet another local dc and the guy went to read my blog so I pointed him to
the rundown on it; rather curious now what'll he do, lolz.
mircea_popescu: the republic can't be used in ANY OTHER WAY. eminently, it CAN NOT be used as ANY KIND of "how to stay stupid" guide. nor will this fundamental inadherence ever be capable of being turned around, "oh, mp is
a meaniehead, stupidity is where it's at". nor ANYTHING other than the intended fucking purpose.
mircea_popescu: da fuck's next, mod6 's patented "let's pass
a gpg'd tarball back and forth" ?
mircea_popescu: what, it's only the republic when it pays, otherwise it's "mp's folly" or somesuch ?
a lot less of this in the
mp_en_viaje: i don't imagine we'll be able to ditch autoconf in principle, until many years later, many years AFTER tmsr-os is
a thing
mp_en_viaje: this was
a horrifyingly bad idea of the "oject oriented" crowd, back in the late 90s.
diana_coman: and moreover, it checks to see which cs deps are available because part of issue with cs is that it doesn't even have
a clear list of deps: it depends what plugins and what they want
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:47:54 mircea_popescu: so i suppose this is the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on
a) how long to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long to move client cs on cuntoo.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: re
moving cs I had
a look in more detail at the situation there: there are 3k lines of autoconf script to start with; this looks for all sorts and takes care of various cases including differences (re where is what) between linux distros
mp_en_viaje: the problem here is that EVERYTHING -- meaning, ~~~EEEEEEVERYTHING~~~ is rather
a "homework" exercise than any kinda serious effort.
mp_en_viaje: not
a very good one, for instance can't easily turn fuck you, world. into fuck you, world! -- but still, it's
a FULL script
mp_en_viaje: nfi what that means. echo "echo 'fuck you, world.'" > script.sh produces
a script
diana_coman: I'd still have
a look at it in more detail.
mp_en_viaje: i can't imagine how tmsr-os would work such that
a package one wants to import wouldn't require some diddling
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: from what I talked to jfw so far (he still has to write it up but there's
a long list there of write-ups for him to do!), he made his own distribution with his own scripts for package building; he has it in production in that he uses it for his clients afaik but it doesn't seem to scale well the way it is currently
mp_en_viaje: let it be until such
a time we can find someone qualified to own it. same place trb is waiting, and so on.
mp_en_viaje: that's
a good price for
a coupla boxes huh.
ossabot: (trinque) 2019-11-03 trinque: need to do
a bit of decrufting before I post these, going to wrap it up tomorrow.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 jfw: Gales Linux is
a new distribution, not using Portage or other sort of auto-download and dependency resolution; it's got
a set of package build scripts I've developed over time based on my own needs
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-11 20:25:08 trinque: diana_coman: this could mean getting
a list of packages you need running on it, if you're willing.
trinque: the idea actually comes from earlier threads on infectious linux, and also on what
a sane world would have instead of
a web browser
trinque: diana_coman: this could mean getting
a list of packages you need running on it, if you're willing.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-10 08:30:28 diana_coman: they had
a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.