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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the circumstance ? this isn't a given iyo ?
mircea_popescu: it's on the level of "great monk died - syphilis". come da fuck on. have better problems!
asciilifeform: if 'act rationally' somehow means 'pick a fuhrer! use haruspex if you gotta!' then none of them 'acted rationally', no.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, leaving this hot coal for a while also, consider THE FUCKING INDIGNITY. you're telling me the dozen was split up by a convenient application of... a socialist marote ? same thing sunk lisp as the international ?!
mircea_popescu: this equality doesn't hold. it's not a matter "we don't know". we know what the environment constraints are, and we do not care what their internal processing is. if they fail to act rationally they did it randomly.
asciilifeform: not knowing any of them in person, i cannot say why some went with one, and others -- other, and third -- with no one, and into the void. presumably agreed with n, or g, or neither.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the rest just happened to fall into s or lmi randomly as the wind blew ?
asciilifeform: ti corp was not even part of this game, they did not hire -- afaik -- any of the original designers.
phf: jealous wizards, i thought that was an archetype.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding was that greenblatt and noftsker had serious disagreement re how to actually do business. (noftsker favoured external capital, and founded the -- temporarily -- successful symbolics co; greenblatt -- the very soon dead lmi, and believed in 'lift by bootstraps', no external capital.)
mircea_popescu: holy shit who thinks like this and why do they.
mircea_popescu: the only reason mit even exists in this picture is because the dozen was "omfg, we DID figure it out, now quick, find someone TO PROTECT US FROM OUR HAVING FIGURED IT OUT!!1"
asciilifeform: then, quite unlike now, new type of comp had to be made by hand from ttl chips -- few gates each; and connected with semi-reliable wrap wiring. it was quite impossible to offload this to 'brute labour', you had to intimately understand how the thing works in order to debug in any way.
mircea_popescu: phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the above retelling, the 4->5 transition is the coup the grace. they couldn't "follow" each other ~because~, in this view, they were bereft of sufficient bandwith to in any sense communicate. so they couldn't, like, end up with all the same one substitute cuntcap. ☟︎
phf: pre-symbolics the "theorems" were "how do i computer" in general. those guys weren't playing around with custom fpga in their garage that they failed to sell. they were basically figuring out how to build a von neumann machine that can do things, which they did
asciilifeform: pretty sure that by the time there was a symbolics -- the handmaking was outsourced.
mircea_popescu: im not sure that's even discussed, here. what theorems are involved in handmaking symbolics gear
asciilifeform: phf: i was offering to mircea_popescu that not everyone is born to walk around robbing banks to fund hardware manufacture, or 'burning boston' to extirpate 'socialism', some folks were born to theorems. but mircea_popescu won't have it -- either banks, and burning, or untermenschen, apparently.
mircea_popescu: phf i saw this too, but what's irking me is WHY.
mircea_popescu: they all ended up with random substitute hymens and that's the last time anyone heard of any of them.
mircea_popescu: 1. a dozen mentally retarded girls were afraid of their own cunts ; 2. so much so as to need to be 50 before they'd finally deflower ; 3. except they did it in such a manner as to replace the insulatory function of that with various other ersatz-hymens created out of material collected in the environment ; 4 but because they were mentally retarded no possiblity of meaningful communication was open to them and so 5. therefore
phf: mircea_popescu: i think people in question weren't even thinking in terms asciilifeform is using. they are all deep academia, without external guiding force thye end up recreating windows interface 10 years too late.
mircea_popescu: let me retell the history of early computing.
asciilifeform: it ended with jail for the 'genius', and junkyard for the iron. all of it.
asciilifeform: he took its remains to canada, and bamboozled their government for years, pretending to make 'french translator machine'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 22:37 mircea_popescu: ~any 16 yo figures out her chief order of business is trashing the damend thing, why's it take moon 50 years ?
mircea_popescu: which reiterates the question : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641087 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: market is not weighing machine to start with. it gets there, but it starts as something else. derping about "justifying commercially" is the EXACT equivalent of not talking to girl for nerd reasons.
asciilifeform: yes, some folx are friends with chumpatronicist, or bank robber (stalin et al), who will give them a little dough out of whatever private reason of his own.
asciilifeform: from bamboozling large crowd of derps with slightly more money than sense each ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see ? where did THE INVESTMENT!111 come from!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought symbolics was mostly hand made originally.
mircea_popescu: still, it collected thousands of btc.
mircea_popescu: no bezzle went into that nonsense.
asciilifeform: pixie dust dun buy megatonne of ic. not today, not then.
mircea_popescu: this is not exactly correct, which is why i linked the article i linked.
asciilifeform: you are comparing bezzletrons, that run on pixie dust, to hw makers , who ran on 100% turkey dollar ?
mircea_popescu: investment is entirely divorced from this "justifying commercially" business.
mircea_popescu: groupon, its exact clone 5 years ago, meanwhile imploded. where did the billions come to make ~that~ particular iteration of nothing whatsoever into "biggest ipo ever!11"
mircea_popescu: fuck, HOW is airbnb supposed to be worth 50 bux ? it consists of... nothing.
mircea_popescu: how did the investment come considewring there wasn't anythning there besides "we'll try to win on execution without a clue or a GED, against people with money and significant entrenchment" ?
asciilifeform: either translate, or summarize ?
mircea_popescu: is it transparent or should i translate ?
mircea_popescu: i dun know why you think this is how things work, but allow me to reference a relevant bit of history : http://trilema.com/2012/hai-c-am-mai-gasit-una/
asciilifeform: from where was the money to come ?
mircea_popescu: why do you have to "justify it commercially".
asciilifeform: the lispm was a quite audacious and expensive project, and very difficult to justify commercially without at least a set of functioning machines and well-developed soft
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think teh theory ever went in the vein of "ubermenschen (exact clones of mircea_popescu , presumably ) and untermenschen ('socialists' or anyone who substantially differs psychologically from mircea_popescu )" eh ?
mircea_popescu: ~any 16 yo figures out her chief order of business is trashing the damend thing, why's it take moon 50 years ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but anyway, leaving this hot coal for a moment -- why the everloving fuck did it take them so long to lose virginity! yes, EVENTUALLY moon "finally we take this tech private". but how fucking unobvious can it be that mit is exactly the equivalent of hymen, there to insulate girl from control of her own cunt ?
asciilifeform: the reality, even if mircea_popescu doesn't subscribe to it, is that there may very well be more than two types of people alive, and not simply ubermenschen (exact clones of mircea_popescu , presumably ) and untermenschen ('socialists' or anyone who substantially differs psychologically from mircea_popescu )
mircea_popescu: amusingly, apparently everyone there knew this, too. "he's no captain, he's just a dude with a small penis who figures the world owns him reparations for it, so captaining will work by itself"
asciilifeform: not that noftsker, afaik, was a quimby. but lmi's greenblatt, it seems, was an 'anti-quimby'
mircea_popescu: why the fuck, what, brains dun work ?
mircea_popescu: so your proposition is that engineers are cursed by the gods in that they can't follow each other, gotta follow a different kinda guy and if they don't get lucky to find one will just symbolics all over the place ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Fred Quimby - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Quimby>; Fred Quimby - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0703642/>; Was Chuck Jones better for Tom & Jerry than Fred Quimby ...: <http://www.debate.org/opinions/was-chuck-jones-better-for-tom-and-jerry-than-fred-quimby>
asciilifeform: the one who said 'i could sell equally this, or canned fish'
mircea_popescu has serious trouble digesting this chunk of history.
asciilifeform: what was the d00d's name
asciilifeform: symbolics co. was actually illustration of mircea_popescu's essay re the hanna barbara cartoon thing
mircea_popescu: why didn't moon follow knight, then. wtf is going on.
mircea_popescu: so why the split ?
asciilifeform: knight (inventor of the machine, and designer/hand-builder of almost all of the early iron) was also 'followable', he ended up at lmi.
asciilifeform: why there was >1 power in 16th c italy. why not everyone simply in florence, lol.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin-assets split sold with the rest. why didn't moon's corp ?
mircea_popescu: possibly. why didn't it sell with the rest ?
asciilifeform: and whatever socialisms dwelled there
asciilifeform: pretty sure that, e.g., d. moon, saw 'finally we take this tech private, make an honest corp' as breaking off from mit
mircea_popescu: how the fuck they managed to think mit is anything but ~the only thing they must destroy~ is beyond me however. seriously, how the fuck does that work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you couldn't find petition introduced by hoplite because "life's too hard and i want an ipad".
mircea_popescu: ated their own aesthetic notions of "competition" among themselves, instead of setting boston on fire.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 22:04 mircea_popescu: NOW -- the question is why did this fucktarded dozen decide the best thing to do is make 3-6-howevermany "Competing" entitite.s
mircea_popescu: but anyway, thinking about it, it'd seem to me the only possible explanation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641002 is that the golden dozen lacked ~any conception whatsoever~ of the enmity of mit. like dodo birds, went happily to the necessary eventual slaugther because failed ot perceive usg must be destroyed not ignored. in a field arbitrarily (and perhaps not exactly accidentally) limited in this manner, they cultiv ☝︎
asciilifeform: you could redefine this, if you wanted , as 'problem of individual'
mircea_popescu: they were interested in resolving the problems of the group, mostly in the shape of not getting wiped by the parthians.
BingoBoingo: "Arborist" above 8 feet would usually either come with bucket lift truck or climbing gear and small (10-14 inch bar) saw.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform socialism is the proposal that the problems of individuals will be addressed by the group. the spartans made no allowance for the problems of individuals.
BingoBoingo: Well, that is an option to deal with branches at height.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this was borrowed tool. if i'm gonna spend $, may as well hire gardeners.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Another solution may be to inquire at power equipment rental outfit and find setup from one of the orange brands (echo, stihl) to use for a day or two until branches restored to sanity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: distinguish, for my education, 'socialism', from how the spartans lived.
BingoBoingo: If there is problem it could be you need to adjust chain tension again after saw warms up
mircea_popescu: but more appropriately i think you could say "cowardice expresses itself in fundamentally defective individuals, as well as in those who spend too much time in cowards' company".
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The usual solution among people who get paid to do that work is smaller chainsaw plus climbing
mircea_popescu: which'd be ~why~ specific republican artefacts (above approximated as firehose) result in the "educational split" so to speak.
mircea_popescu: now, obviously other than the people who ~are made of~ shit, you can also have people covered in shit. these, however, can wash. even if they're not necessarily distinguishable on superficial examination -- put the firehose on them and you'll presently find out.
asciilifeform: is this observation or postulation ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to take the thing back to rms and friends : socialism is not a political choice, it's a psychological defense. it expresses itself in fundamentally defective individuals. tis what it is.
mircea_popescu: (ie, little jane stuck too early with too much male attention she doesn't know how to handle (in no small part because her mom's a retarded jen and had not the sense ot have sisters etc) will grow defensive. but it's to my eyes rather a different strand. quite evidently so : she's immodest in private.)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: y'know those 20 ft chainsaws for trees ? i was using one, it sucked, chain slipped maybe 5 times in 1 hr. are there such thing as decent one of these ?
mircea_popescu: because if i make them strip, jane's DD look better than jen's A-
mircea_popescu: and all the rest of the bullshit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i currently find the notion persuasive. jane and jennifer are both interchangeable as 3 yos, but as they progress to age 23 it becomes apparent jeniffer jsut never had the tits in her.
mircea_popescu: all kids appear healthy, but the brains of a precious few are deffective, and as aging exposes them to the challenge of correct diversification, it turns out they ~were all along~ schizophrenic.
asciilifeform: i don't buy this 'was always a trotskyist, from baby' thing. not everyone is born in his particular mental dead end.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "celebrating "Palm Sunday", a feast marking their holy tradesman's triumphant return to Jerusalem days before the holy tradesman was martyred by combined Italian and Jewish police violence." << epic. << Updated, forgot to insert relevant link to earlier qntra <mircea_popescu> "celebrating "Palm Sunday", a feast marking their holy tradesman's triumphant return to Jerusalem days before the holy tradesman was martyred by co
mircea_popescu: i also do not think one can become a socialist. they're all born this way. it's braindamage, basically.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there is any such thing.
asciilifeform: he was just another d00d in those times.