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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagels7 can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly
ben_vulpes: <bagels7> can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact?
undata: I'd plan on still making software for money in such a scenario
decimation: when communication between the outposts becomes cheap, a giant bureaucracy to 'coordinate' things suddenly seems redundant
decimation: yeah Jim has a point, it seems to me the Internet has a tendency to empower the periphery at the expense of the center
decimation: and so what comes is a generation of spoiled brats, willing to listen to whoever is promising bread & circuses
decimation: yeah that's a good point. especially if some homeless laut is peddling a false hope in the corner over there
mircea_popescu: once it's fate is sealed, who can be bothered ? would you punish your children for misbehaving in a nuclear shelter ?
mircea_popescu: looky here, dying empires don't dampen the mob. that's a job for the earlier times.
decimation: mircea_popescu: as to our conversation a few days ago about what King Louis XVI could have done about the socialist uprising, perhaps one answer is that actual people everywhere have an interest in damping the enthusiasm of this kind of mob
mircea_popescu: <undata> if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge << barge powered by ethanol, lemme guess ?
undata: goodnight all; I'm going to make like a good russian in '90 and drink
asciilifeform: to usg, you are a resource. a head of cattle. who lets a cow go ?
asciilifeform: undata: generally folks with a liquid, detachable (!) 1mil usd - have considerably more that is left behind, like the early stages of a rocket
undata: if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge
asciilifeform: i also mentioned 'folks paid to give a damn'
decimation: or... in a submarine
asciilifeform: so, it may actually be a non-usg zone until it is repaired.
asciilifeform: what can i say, not everybody gets to 'take the train out of berlin a day before everyone else'
asciilifeform: as a boy.
undata: but it's not a simple thing to predict
decimation: "While 27 percent of migrating professionals among the sample group chose the U.S. as a destination in 2000, in 2012 just 13 percent did. The decline was seen across professionals with bachelor’s, master’s and doctoral degrees."
asciilifeform: undata: the folks 'who do not' - today - are they in a mob? what have they burned?
undata: you combine militarized police with a currency crisis, something of that nature, then maybe
asciilifeform: there was a time before 'well-trained masses' when actual 'pinkertons' has to man actual gatling guns to keep the mob in its proper street
decimation: asciilifeform: as they say in dc, never waste a good crisis
asciilifeform: the notion that a riot in modern usa can happen - and persist - 'naturally' - is horseshit of the first order.
mircea_popescu: a, right, decimation said it first.
undata: haven't heard a single person say "maybe the cop just lacked trigger discipline and was otherwise a coward"
decimation: well, he could have been yelling, or he could have been charging with a suspicious object
undata: decimation: the guy shouldn't have shot a guy for yelling at him
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah you need a --no-stem option
asciilifeform: the search box - is a disgrace.
asciilifeform: ^ utterly broken search in #b-a
undata: decimation: that's not a call a beat cop gets to make
decimation: undata: perhaps those loose 'rules of engagement' were a tacit acknowledgement of reality?
asciilifeform: 'fergusons' - have a purpose.
cazalla: undata, why the sympathy for a nignog that got what he deserved?
asciilifeform: local police will be partially disarmed and yet more bureaucratized, yes. and ultimately - subordinated and absorbed into a national gendarmerie.
decimation: undata: what weight do you lend to the fact that the guy was a thug who just finished robbing a store?
undata: the cognitive dissonance is the thought that a government that has made its *business* killing innocents would protect some guy gunned down in its own streets
asciilifeform: anyone who thinks this is a 'popular grievance' thing - how many u.s. folks were fucked over in real estate, other chumpatrons? how many of the perpetrators burned?
Fergudishu: nubbins`: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri that has 85k people watching and a trollbox lmao
decimation: asciilifeform: a 'self-licking ice cream cone' indeed
nubbins`: apparently the flag isn't supposed to be used as a bandana
undata: that fucking guy can't even squeeze out a statement that has a drop of meaning in it
nubbins`: it was a false flag indeed
undata: mircea_popescu: "now now now I know this is a complex and divisive issue..."
BingoBoingo: WHITE MALE set a police car on fire
asciilifeform is also familiar with the set of people who are paid to hunt all day, every day, for new 'outrages' of the kind required to set up 'a ferguson'
nubbins`: Fergudishu holy fuck there's a trollbox?!?!
decimation: asciilifeform: this is a set-peice opera, with each side playing their part
mircea_popescu: . “Researchers have revealed a robust association between father absence—both physical and psychological—and accelerated reproductive development and sexual risk-taking in daughters,”
nubbins`: HE IS WEARING A BLUE COAT
nubbins`: mp srsly there's a cop on the radio giving updates on him
BingoBoingo: ^ Has to be a code word
mircea_popescu: <decimation> conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. " <<< quite.
decimation: conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How to spend $400 million on a helicopter ... ( http://bit.ly/1phiuM2 )
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2008/03/17/how-to-spend-400-million-on-a-helicopter/ lol
asciilifeform: when this becomes 'a thing' and the overall purpose of organization is subverted, long and hard enough - it dies.
mircea_popescu: honestly, the only appeal i see to a life in the military is having a bunch of sex slave commanding officers.
asciilifeform: but perhaps that is like saying that it is not the bullet that is a problem, but the bullet hole.
decimation: yeah. In china, there's more of a "the boss can profit if the project works" mentality I am told
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get this. what exactly about being a rabid slut makes a woman unfit to command ?
BingoBoingo: Looter also maybe smarted up, at a bank nao?
mircea_popescu: excellent example of why corruption is not the worst problem in a state.
mircea_popescu: [The two Democratic fundraisers that Obama attended brought in roughly $3.5 million (source). So it would have been far cheaper for taxpayers if Obama had stayed in Washington and the U.S. Treasury had written a $3.5 million check to the Democratic Party.]
asciilifeform: fact is, they have a bottomless supply of proper grunts
mircea_popescu: then look how the shoulders and arms look of a (always titless) woman that can do 11
decimation: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/secret-service-requires-female-agents-meet-lower-physical-strength-standards-male-agents_808441.html "According to the Secret Service, a male recruit in his twenties needs to perform 11 chin-ups to receive an "excellent" rating; performing four chin-ups or fewer would disqualify him from serving as a Secret Service agent. But for a female recruit in her twenties, four chin-ups would earn her an "
mircea_popescu: but, anyway, let anyone fighting a war fight it the way he deems most convenient, who am i to intercede.
decimation: a military of conscripts has the benefit of 1.) cannon fodder and 2.) actual people that can be sorted into leadership
decimation: one could re-interpret the entire military-industrial-intel complex as a giant ego-trip
BingoBoingo: Oh, police may have lost a radio
mircea_popescu: all this of course presupposes anyone gives a shit as to what fbi agents say to each other.,
mircea_popescu: decimation if you think the shocking stupidity of people like "silk road operators" occurs in a vacuum, let me remind you of the special agent that solved the case by excel spreadsheet.
mircea_popescu: breakage of a cypher that resists to 2**39 time costs roughly speaking a satoshi.
decimation: at least, a transaction is
mircea_popescu: a bitcoin's worth what, ~2**60 time each.
assbot: IN CLAYTON: A few eggs thrown, but no other reaction from the small crowd outside the county Justice Center : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phdxmt )
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/in-clayton-a-few-eggs-thrown-but-no-other-reaction/article_decda97c-a4ab-5420-8057-e5833c880ce1.html
assbot: Obama’s request for BlackBerry ‘bothered a lot of people’: ex-NSA official - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phd1EY )
decimation: Vexual: the above pdf I linked was a usenix, which was kind of a more civilized defcon
Vexual: I guess if P25 is breakable theres a reason it hasn't popped up at defon or some such
Vexual: where will you find a police radio?
mircea_popescu: 2*39 time to recover the complete 256-bit key of a 9-round version http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/374
asciilifeform: but here's a little mindfuck (afaik, discussed nowhere)
asciilifeform: so anything you replay is a valid 'police order'
asciilifeform: a 'wasp' could sow some very thick confusion via replay, even if he cannot decode.
asciilifeform: never gave enough of a shit to comb through the published specs to answer this riddle
decimation: it's pointless to want to listen to the encrypted channels anyway, because my experience was that before the cops had crypto they would just use a cell phone
decimation: asciilifeform: that one is pretty accurate at least as of a few years ago
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.bearcat1.com/radiomd.htm here is a nice list of every county in maryland
undata: asciilifeform: hell, you can go have a picnic and watch depending on the era
decimation: right, but I'm talking about a public tour that leaves from union station every hour
asciilifeform was taken on just such a tour once! private.
decimation: feds have been encrypted for a much longer time
decimation: scanner listening used to only be a hobby for a few harmless weirdos